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Post by kamalet on Aug 24, 2012 9:44:18 GMT 3
For one on Oloo case as regards Miguna.....is this your new role as publicity secretary of Raila?
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Post by b6k on Aug 24, 2012 10:03:54 GMT 3
Happening NOW! Seen here setting up his iPad a few moments ago. Prime Minister Raila Odinga taking questions from Kenyans on livestream. Security in Northern Kenya and Food Security are the topics today. Happening NOW: PM Raila is now online. TODAY between 8am to 9am local time(5.00 to 6.00 GMT). Visit www.raila-Odinga.com/talk2raila and ask direct questions to the man who wants to be President of Kenya. Phil, how thoughtful of you to post the Happening Now 2 minutes before the happening was supposed to be history. Now that's what I call putting the message out to the people on time...
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 24, 2012 22:29:51 GMT 3
Happening NOW! Seen here setting up his iPad a few moments ago. Prime Minister Raila Odinga taking questions from Kenyans on livestream. Security in Northern Kenya and Food Security are the topics today. Happening NOW: PM Raila is now online. TODAY between 8am to 9am local time(5.00 to 6.00 GMT). Visit www.raila-Odinga.com/talk2raila and ask direct questions to the man who wants to be President of Kenya. Phil, how thoughtful of you to post the Happening Now 2 minutes before the happening was supposed to be history. Now that's what I call putting the message out to the people on time... ;D ;D nothing to add then why waste time....
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 24, 2012 22:31:36 GMT 3
For one on Oloo case as regards Miguna.....is this your new role as publicity secretary of Raila? I thought Onyango Oloo was Uhuru Kenyatta's party chairman? has Uhuru decided to thorough him out? and why would Raila pick up Uhuru's used goods? as his publisher? ;D
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Post by kipfirimbi on Aug 25, 2012 2:28:34 GMT 3
Phil, how thoughtful of you to post the Happening Now 2 minutes before the happening was supposed to be history. Now that's what I call putting the message out to the people on time... ;D ;D nothing to add then why waste time.... alas! the sane man has bought new clothes! the shining foreheads reminds me of the aftermarth of river dipps,supposedly here river nyando ;D, the other fella.... who has "gone bonkers" as it appears has realised those clothes being too tight for his liking , he prefers them baggy and lose fitting anyway!
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Post by phil on Aug 28, 2012 20:58:52 GMT 3
Due to popular demand, PM Raila Odinga hasopted to change his live streaming on my website to Thursday at 7.15pm to allow more people to talk2Raila. This Thursday the topics will be Constitutional Implementation and Peaceful Elections. Kenyans are request to participate and are encouraged to send in their views and questions on or before this date. www.raila-Odinga.com/talk2raila
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Post by phil on Sept 20, 2012 17:44:05 GMT 3
Invitation to engage Prime Minister Raila Odinga on live stream: The teachers strike and indeed all other strikes (and the things we call "real issues") are issues that cannot be fully grasped in isolation. We need to see the big picture to understand why we are where we are. That is where #devolution comes in. And it goes back all the way to the period before independence. So, again, why devolution? What is in it for you? What is in it for the teacher? For the doctor? For the Kenyan nation? Talk to @railaodinga this Thursday. www.raila-odinga/talk2raila
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 20, 2012 17:53:26 GMT 3
Invitation to engage Prime Minister Raila Odinga on live stream: The teachers strike and indeed all other strikes (and the things we call "real issues") are issues that cannot be fully grasped in isolation. We need to see the big picture to understand why we are where we are. That is where #devolution comes in. And it goes back all the way to the period before independence. So, again, why devolution? What is in it for you? What is in it for the teacher? For the doctor? For the Kenyan nation? Talk to @railaodinga this Thursday. www.raila-odinga/talk2raila Phil, Just curious here, will Raila be making a policy statement on the above issues? Will he be doing so as the PM or simply as an ODM candidate? And where do we draw the line? Plus is he suggesting that the counties should be the better places to address the grievances raised by those on strike such as teachers, doctors and lecturers?
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Post by b6k on Sept 20, 2012 19:46:41 GMT 3
Invitation to engage Prime Minister Raila Odinga on live stream: The teachers strike and indeed all other strikes (and the things we call "real issues") are issues that cannot be fully grasped in isolation. We need to see the big picture to understand why we are where we are. That is where #devolution comes in. And it goes back all the way to the period before independence. So, again, why devolution? What is in it for you? What is in it for the teacher? For the doctor? For the Kenyan nation? Talk to @railaodinga this Thursday. www.raila-odinga/talk2raila Phil, Just curious here, will Raila be making a policy statement on the above issues? Will he be doing so as the PM or simply as an ODM candidate? And where do we draw the line? Plus is he suggesting that the counties should be the better places to address the grievances raised by those on strike such as teachers, doctors and lecturers? ....& what time will he be discussing all the above LIVE?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 6:59:14 GMT 3
We'll hold you to your promises ndugu Gitobu Imanyara. in a few short months the ODM will be in power. then we shall see what you all are made of. good stuff about not taking off with TNA, of all parties, led by of all people . Gitobu: I will support Raila to the end
Updated Saturday, September 29 2012 at 12:19 GMT+3
Imenti Central MP Gitobu Imanyara affirms his unwavering support for Raila Odinga's State House bid.
Gitobu said there was intense media interest on whether he will reconsider his support for Raila in the face of alleged Mt Kenya shift to The National Alliance (TNA).
“I want to clear the air. My support for Raila is founded on the firm belief that he is the only candidate with reform credentials and across the country support base that is capable of attaining constitutional threshold to bring on board a president that will give Kenya a stable Government capable of completing a faithful implementation of the new constitution”, said Gitobu.
He added that he will support and campaign for Raila to the end. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067242&story_title=Gitobu:-I-will-support-Raila-to-the-end
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 30, 2012 7:44:07 GMT 3
We'll hold you to your promises ndugu Gitobu Imanyara. in a few short months the ODM will be in power. then we shall see what you all are made of. good stuff about not taking off with TNA, of all parties, led by of all people . Gitobu: I will support Raila to the end
Updated Saturday, September 29 2012 at 12:19 GMT+3
Imenti Central MP Gitobu Imanyara affirms his unwavering support for Raila Odinga's State House bid.
Gitobu said there was intense media interest on whether he will reconsider his support for Raila in the face of alleged Mt Kenya shift to The National Alliance (TNA).
“I want to clear the air. My support for Raila is founded on the firm belief that he is the only candidate with reform credentials and across the country support base that is capable of attaining constitutional threshold to bring on board a president that will give Kenya a stable Government capable of completing a faithful implementation of the new constitution”, said Gitobu.
He added that he will support and campaign for Raila to the end. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067242&story_title=Gitobu:-I-will-support-Raila-to-the-end Kathure, Who exactly is disturbing Gitobu's impending retirement together with Raila Odinga?
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Post by reporter911 on Sept 30, 2012 7:57:42 GMT 3
We'll hold you to your promises ndugu Gitobu Imanyara. in a few short months the ODM will be in power. then we shall see what you all are made of. good stuff about not taking off with TNA, of all parties, led by of all people . Gitobu: I will support Raila to the end
Updated Saturday, September 29 2012 at 12:19 GMT+3
Imenti Central MP Gitobu Imanyara affirms his unwavering support for Raila Odinga's State House bid.
Gitobu said there was intense media interest on whether he will reconsider his support for Raila in the face of alleged Mt Kenya shift to The National Alliance (TNA).
“I want to clear the air. My support for Raila is founded on the firm belief that he is the only candidate with reform credentials and across the country support base that is capable of attaining constitutional threshold to bring on board a president that will give Kenya a stable Government capable of completing a faithful implementation of the new constitution”, said Gitobu.
He added that he will support and campaign for Raila to the end. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067242&story_title=Gitobu:-I-will-support-Raila-to-the-end Kathure, Who exactly is disturbing Gitobu's impending retirement together with Raila Odinga? Opps!! how can they retire when they have to be ready to take Ugali and sukuma wiki to the guys at the ICC Jail with government Jets? just incase they are found guilty? alah.. retirement will be in 2016.. stop your wishful thinking.. pole sana
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Post by phil on Oct 23, 2012 8:17:40 GMT 3
From the desk of ODM Leader the Rt.Hon Prime Minister Raila Odinga "Morning All. For those who may have missed some of the Talk 2 Raila sessions, you may watch them on my youtube channel below. I discussed the industrial unrest, social protection, security and other topics you had asked."www.youtube.com/channel/UCahxo0LZ_rORxP6EUmFaeCQ?feature=mhee
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 23, 2012 15:32:27 GMT 3
From the desk of ODM Leader the Rt.Hon Prime Minister Raila Odinga "Morning All. For those who may have missed some of the Talk 2 Raila sessions, you may watch them on my youtube channel below. I discussed the industrial unrest, social protection, security and other topics you had asked."www.youtube.com/channel/UCahxo0LZ_rORxP6EUmFaeCQ?feature=mheeRaila is one very predictable presidential candidate. The things he promised in 1997, are the same things he is promising in 2012, even after serving in very influential positions in government since then. Some of these guys will never achieve anything even if God Himself gave them His seat for a day.
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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 23, 2012 16:22:26 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
You and I both know how the coalition gov't has been run since its inception. It would be unfair to blame RAO for not fulfilling his promises under this gov't yet we know that the folks in charge of govt money have constantly frustrated RAO. The promises need resources to implement and I need not to remind of the same.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 23, 2012 17:17:10 GMT 3
Mwalimu, You and I both know how the coalition gov't has been run since its inception. It would be unfair to blame RAO for not fulfilling his promises under this gov't yet we know that the folks in charge of govt money have constantly frustrated RAO. The promises need resources to implement and I need not to remind of the same. Rais, Whereas I agree, that, this coalition is the worst thing that ever happened to our country, I refuse to buy the excuse that some of these guys have been a phenomenal failure on the account of the 'unworkability' of the coalition alone. William Ruto was minister for Agriculture in the same coalition government for two or so years, everyone in that sector still talks about him and how he turned things around. He moved on to the Higher Education for very few months, today if you talk to any vice chancellor (private or public), lecturers and students, they will tell you how much they miss him there. He achieved all this yet he was not friends with neither Kibaki nor Raila, in fact they kick him out prematurely. Now take you man Raila. The fellow has never ceased to blame just about anyone around him for his dismal performances. He joined Moi government, stayed in it for the whole time, only to turn around and blame the KANU regime for his failure. Then came the NARC government, the man served the entire term, only to come back to us at election time and pointed fingers at Mwiraria. And now, together with his supporters, after serving a whole five years as the coalition's co-principal and prime minister, he is blaming the coalition government. I mean with such a history, how do you convince anyone that Raila is not just another conman in town who rides on the shoulders of the electorate for his own good? If not, then it is very safe to conclude that failure is in his DNA and no amount of opportunity accorded to him can change that.
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Post by bkichwa on Oct 23, 2012 17:19:32 GMT 3
Mwalimu, You and I both know how the coalition gov't has been run since its inception. It would be unfair to blame RAO for not fulfilling his promises under this gov't yet we know that the folks in charge of govt money have constantly frustrated RAO. The promises need resources to implement and I need not to remind of the same. Rais, But even if one was to consider your defence above, an argument can still be made that where RAO and his team had access to money for government projects, they ate it at the expense of the implementation of the projects intended. Just 2 cases in point, KKV and NHIF. Being PM has been a double edged sword for RAO. On the one hand he has probably enjoyed all the benefits that come with being on a high seat of power as his. On the other hand, he has shown us all what an ODM government led by him would look like, how it would function, and how the latter will be not much of a departure from the kind of modus operandi that previous governments have espoused. In the above regard, one only needs to look the following few examples: 1. His office (equivalent to his would-be State House) that is described as being comprised of seedy characters (his kitchen cabinet?) and being a swamp of corruption. 2. The way he makes his appointments for his nusu mkate part of government, noting in particular his penchant for nepotism. 3. The way he has condoned corruption in ODM line ministries. In the above respect he no longer has a clean and "virgin" slate from which to profess what his post-March 2013 government shall do for Kenyans. There already is enough evidence of this.
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Post by raiswakesho on Oct 23, 2012 19:47:25 GMT 3
It's hard to debate RAO's successes and failures if we can't be objective. I've never claimed that RAO is clean and I'll be naive if I claimed so.
How was RAO's performance when he was a minister for Roads & Public works? We keep talkin about Ruto's role in the ministry of agriculture as if this was the 1st time Ruto was serving as a cabinet minister!! All these politicians have both +ve & -ve stuff on their records and unless we shine objective light on every single politician seeking to lead our great nation, we'll end up nowhere.
Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda.
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Post by phil on Oct 23, 2012 20:01:04 GMT 3
It's hard to debate RAO's successes and failures if we can't be objective. I've never claimed that RAO is clean and I'll be naive if I claimed so. How was RAO's performance when he was a minister for Roads & Public works? We keep talkin about Ruto's role in the ministry of agriculture as if this was the 1st time Ruto was serving as a cabinet minister!! All these politicians have both +ve & -ve stuff on their records and unless we shine objective light on every single politician seeking to lead our great nation, we'll end up nowhere. Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda. Glad you finally come to the realisation that it's impossible to have any meaningful discourse with the likes of Mwalimu or kichwa. It's actually a waste of bandwidth. Someone like mwalimu's sole objective is to be personal and derail this thread. His own thread about what the URP Stands For died a natural death since that party is no longer relevant to Kenyans or even to Kalenjins. Same applies to his Crossing the Rubicon thread on Musalia. That has since been forgotten just as nobody ever recalls Musalia being an ODM member. I am talking from experience. Thousands of Kenyans read and appreciate what we post in these boards. Our friends kichwa and mwalimu know that and you can see the desperation setting in now that it's confirmed that TNA and URP marriage of convenience has been shown the middle finger by the voters themselves. Serves them right. You are better off engaging others but not these two.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 23, 2012 21:57:52 GMT 3
It's hard to debate RAO's successes and failures if we can't be objective. I've never claimed that RAO is clean and I'll be naive if I claimed so. How was RAO's performance when he was a minister for Roads & Public works? We keep talkin about Ruto's role in the ministry of agriculture as if this was the 1st time Ruto was serving as a cabinet minister!! All these politicians have both +ve & -ve stuff on their records and unless we shine objective light on every single politician seeking to lead our great nation, we'll end up nowhere. Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda. Rais, I am not surprised, normally when people have no facts to back up their arguments or a record to defend, they get frustrated and can easily become very angry. True, Ruto has been minister before this coalition government. But for how long? If mt memory serves well, it was not more than three months. Plus, I have never heard him blame someone else for whatever he did not do. As you must have realized realized, there is really nothing to write home about this other guy. The reformer thing is all talk about nothing. And Kenyans are beginning to realize this. If you think this is nothing but mere propaganda, watch this space and lets compare notes after March next year.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 23, 2012 22:08:10 GMT 3
It's hard to debate RAO's successes and failures if we can't be objective. I've never claimed that RAO is clean and I'll be naive if I claimed so. How was RAO's performance when he was a minister for Roads & Public works? We keep talkin about Ruto's role in the ministry of agriculture as if this was the 1st time Ruto was serving as a cabinet minister!! All these politicians have both +ve & -ve stuff on their records and unless we shine objective light on every single politician seeking to lead our great nation, we'll end up nowhere. Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda. Glad you finally come to the realisation that it's impossible to have any meaningful discourse with the likes of Mwalimu or kichwa. It's actually a waste of bandwidth. Someone like mwalimu's sole objective is to be personal and derail this thread. His own thread about what the URP Stands For died a natural death since that party is no longer relevant to Kenyans or even to Kalenjins. Same applies to his Crossing the Rubicon thread on Musalia. That has since been forgotten just as nobody ever recalls Musalia being an ODM member. I am talking from experience. Thousands of Kenyans read and appreciate what we post in these boards. Our friends kichwa and mwalimu know that and you can see the desperation setting in now that it's confirmed that TNA and URP marriage of convenience has been shown the middle finger by the voters themselves. Serves them right. You are better off engaging others but not these two. Phil, Get real for once. If you have to lecture anyone about objectivity, then you must lead by example by demonstrating the same. You surely know that there are a million and one threads on jukwaa. We do not update or post on all of them daily, no. As regards Ruto's alliances, I already indicated here on jukwaa that he is wasting his time, especially with your party ODM. Talking about Raila in former RV has the potential of killing anyone's political career, Ruto included.
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Post by bkichwa on Oct 24, 2012 18:02:28 GMT 3
Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda. Rais, Up until I think recently when we had the Ministry of Tourism folk get jailed for corruption (former PS Nabutola, former KTB Director Achieng Ogong'a and co), and also Nancy Baraza's "guilty as charged" verdict by the tribunal(s) set up to investigate her Village Market incident, there has to my knowledge never been any "credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge" brought on the countless corruption cases in government dating back years and governments. And we all know the reasons in turn why this has been the case (it's not that the evidence in respective cases has never existed). Does that then make these countless and real corruption cases spanning decades mere "propaganda"? I think the objectivity you speak of also requires the willingness to confront difficult questions and issues that affect those leaders or aspiring leaders whom we support.
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Post by bkichwa on Oct 24, 2012 18:16:37 GMT 3
It's hard to debate RAO's successes and failures if we can't be objective. I've never claimed that RAO is clean and I'll be naive if I claimed so. How was RAO's performance when he was a minister for Roads & Public works? We keep talkin about Ruto's role in the ministry of agriculture as if this was the 1st time Ruto was serving as a cabinet minister!! All these politicians have both +ve & -ve stuff on their records and unless we shine objective light on every single politician seeking to lead our great nation, we'll end up nowhere. Btw, all these allegations about RAO this and that haven't been backed with any credible evidence that attest to a guilty charge so until that happens, I'll treat them as propaganda. Glad you finally come to the realisation that it's impossible to have any meaningful discourse with the likes of Mwalimu or kichwa. It's actually a waste of bandwidth. Someone like mwalimu's sole objective is to be personal and derail this thread. His own thread about what the URP Stands For died a natural death since that party is no longer relevant to Kenyans or even to Kalenjins. Same applies to his Crossing the Rubicon thread on Musalia. That has since been forgotten just as nobody ever recalls Musalia being an ODM member. I am talking from experience. Thousands of Kenyans read and appreciate what we post in these boards. Our friends kichwa and mwalimu know that and you can see the desperation setting in now that it's confirmed that TNA and URP marriage of convenience has been shown the middle finger by the voters themselves. Serves them right. You are better off engaging others but not these two. Phil, You are better served sticking to issues raised than attempting to disparage the characters of other forum members because they aren't part of your kumbaya choir. If your agenda in Jukwaa is to post and keep alive forever pro-Raila threads (as your bragging post above seems to suggest) where only adulation and sycophancy of the man are the allowed subject, then perhaps your agenda as such is misplaced. There are other forums where the latter can find a very welcome home. I believe you and your friends created one just the other day...yes, I'm referring to the one that you keep coming back here to remind us about.
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Post by phil on Oct 25, 2012 11:45:40 GMT 3
Phil, You are better served sticking to issues raised than attempting to disparage the characters of other forum members because they aren't part of your kumbaya choir. If your agenda in Jukwaa is to post and keep alive forever pro-Raila threads (as your bragging post above seems to suggest) where only adulation and sycophancy of the man are the allowed subject, then perhaps your agenda as such is misplaced. There are other forums where the latter can find a very welcome home. I believe you and your friends created one just the other day...yes, I'm referring to the one that you keep coming back here to remind us about. You guys do not seem to have a problem undermining your own characters, for if you did, you would be brave enought to face-up to the candidate and ask him direct questions about the programs he is promising to implement if elected president. Rais Mtarajiwa Raila Odinga has created a weekly forum where you can pose direct questions as a Kenyan and you get direct answers, as opposed to launching personal attacks using anonymous handles in Jukwaa whilst trying to convince us how much better a partnership of individuals charged with crimes against humanity is the best to lead this country forward.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 25, 2012 12:48:49 GMT 3
Phil, You are better served sticking to issues raised than attempting to disparage the characters of other forum members because they aren't part of your kumbaya choir. If your agenda in Jukwaa is to post and keep alive forever pro-Raila threads (as your bragging post above seems to suggest) where only adulation and sycophancy of the man are the allowed subject, then perhaps your agenda as such is misplaced. There are other forums where the latter can find a very welcome home. I believe you and your friends created one just the other day...yes, I'm referring to the one that you keep coming back here to remind us about. You guys do not seem to have a problem undermining your own characters, for if you did, you would be brave enought to face-up to the candidate and ask him direct questions about the programs he is promising to implement if elected president. Rais Mtarajiwa Raila Odinga has created a weekly forum where you can pose direct questions as a Kenyan and you get direct answers, as opposed to launching personal attacks using anonymous handles in Jukwaa whilst trying to convince us how much better a partnership of individuals charged with crimes against humanity is the best to lead this country forward. Raila wll never admit to being a charlatan even on his broadcast. The problem is that he has this very high and clean view (safi kama pamba) of himself that having a sensible conversation with him will be a list of denials that makes the discussion pointless! But you might want to ask him if his involvement in the 82 coup attempt that was supposed to derogate the constitution makes him suitable to defend any constitution.
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