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Post by emali on Dec 24, 2012 12:41:58 GMT 3
The Ship has sailed now Uhuru will realise that their is a very big difference between running a campaign and facing crimes against Humanity charges as a presidential candidate...he chose this path for clearly that moment of reckoning arrived for him (albeit hastily which is an ominous sign) ...now imagine when those crimes are laid bare for all to see, crimes which if you listen to some people their is no way he is getting out of...
About these ‘evil forces’ if I didn’t know any better while he was delivering that speech on the reneged deal with Mudavadi, Uhuru looked to me to be on some substance that I would not describe as alcohol, it looked like that kind that makes you rub your nose constantly (check),have a puffy face (check) and have glassy brown eyes (half-check...they are always brown)...so the ‘evil forces’ might have been aided by some ‘substance’...
Ultimately this Uhuruto/Jubilee campaign with the ICC hovering has become a farce just like the Miguna thing. It’s as if part of the country has internalized Uhuruto’s fate and they too are in denial...we might be in for ‘evil forces part deux’ in the coming months so I will just sit back and watch....
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Post by emali on Dec 19, 2012 14:48:00 GMT 3
There is a detail I am missing, and I know it is interesting. It is not that UK really was serious on Musalia from of old. Infact he gave up long ago on him, and went full steam ahead with Ruto. It was only on the last day that STATE HOUSE interceded, and stayed Uhuru to accommodate Musalia. What I am missing is what state-house used as the carrot. It must have been a very large carrot, or a very large stick that either salivated Uhuru or intimidated him to accept this last minute helter-skelter business. The defection of Kalonzo isn't it I think. And the electoral sanity, that the inclusion of Musalia balances the TNA ticket, ethnic math-wise, is a conclusion that UK and his court could have safely reached on their own earlier on, without state-house's intervention. So it has to be some other leverage. But what? I don't think SH interceeded on the last day but they arranged a while back for Uhuru not to run,the Mudavadi fiasco I believe is a combination of the ICC cases, Uhuru’s ‘taste’ of power & one Willian Ruto. IMO Uhuru wants no part of a presidency shrouded in ICC maneno’s it just happens to have fallen to him...prior to the ICC cases Uhuru was stuck in KANU & apart from his links to SH was just another upper tier politician.... Once the ICC confirmations were announced he morphed into something else, he was an attack dog ably assisted by Ruto, he kept getting bigger & bigger & so did his access to Statehouse where it seems he ended up running the place. Obviously Kibaki & his people didn’t like where this was heading & they must have decided(together with Uhuruto) he would not run.Uhuru agrees with them but the new found power and the villainous Ruto impart have made him lose his focus. It happened all too quick and now he has become too big to just abandon his quest but half-heartedly he brings Mudavadi on board then the MP’s make him feel like he is King again so to hell with the Mudavadi Idea... On another related note Why did the Ruto land case come up last week? Was it a coincidence? Or SH sending a message...after all Uhuru is busy hiring internal security ministers why should a case as ‘small’ as the land case be brought up now...its seems SH issue is really Ruto not Uhuru afterall he is the one with a 'guaranteed slot' in the Alliance... I don’t think the big carrot was needed Uhuru was already on board I think it all starts and ends with his indecisiveness on the ICC cases because if Ruto was in Uhuru’s shoes their would never have been a Mudavadi & he would have cared less about the ICC...
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Post by emali on Dec 19, 2012 13:10:05 GMT 3
@ Rais Through Raila’s history, wikileaks, general news articles, Miguna’s book & my own opinion what you get from Raila is that he is not disciplined, he is lazy and is someone who has a hard time sticking to an agenda. If you can point out why you think he's indiscipline & any agenda that he has detoured from then I'll respond on the same [Rais]Look at CORD for instance majority of the folks in it are certified dinosaurs of the old order, people who will have a hard time changing they corrupt ways and putting the effort required to get us where we want to go.Raila knows this but either doesn’t care (a means to an end) or figures he will be able to tame them (easier said than done). I agree that some of the guys in CORD have issues, I personally believe that Njenga should be behind bars but our courts thinks otherwise. I also believe that RAO is capable & if elected , will be the one steering the agenda and that as the boss, he will know who is best fit to be in charge of what responsibility [Rais]To change and manage Kenya as it is today one thing you will need in abundance is energy, does Raila look like someone filled with energy? I mean the Michuki kind of energy...Raila seems to love speaking to a crowd (abit too much) & has very little enthusiasm to sit in an office to ensure policies are executed as drafted which is what we need right now. Each politician is blessed with his/ her own talents, RAO has his, he excites crowds but it would be too cheap to call this a weakness! I believe RAO has engaged in many important functions in the last 5 yrs than the president, the VP & all the DPM. The technocrats in from various ministries can attest to his successes, we can't get these from the media. RAO has demonstrated over the years that he's got the energy and the drive to push Kenya to greater heights. Why don't we give him the powers of the presidency and see what he can do?[Rais] Look at his speeches on the ICC (bring cases back home), Kenya’s hope of hosting the Olympics, His speech on compensating Garissa residents after the attacks e.t.c I could go on and on. Why does he say these things when he knows they are pipe dreams? With regard to ICC, there's no question that RAO wants justice for both the victims and the accused. Kibaki & RAO tried to have a local tribunal set up and if you remember correctly, both were in parliament until late but the accused through their supporters defeated the motion. People never talk about this fact but are often quick to criticize RAO on the same. How do we apportion blame? Who doesn't agree that the Garisa victims ought to be compensated for loss they suffered due to the lawlessness by our army officers? Are you questioning the substance of his statement or the form by which it was made? RAO like anyone else is a dreamer and I bet you dream too! What's wrong for him to have a wish of having Olympics in Kenya? I think he knows what is required in order to have such an event and I trust that If elected, he'll help put in place the necessary ground work or at least get it started so that some future president can make the dream come true![Rais]What about the people he hires starting from his office, his party functionaries to even Miguna himself(backstabber!),he seems to have a hard time getting the best out of his staff or ensuring they are doing the jobs they were hired to do...which is a very bad sign of any leader... Sometimes in life we get disappointed by our closest friends or trusted allies. Miguna had no prior questionable record that could have guided RAO before he picked him as an advisor. Some of RAO's staff have been great and some haven't performed well but again there's always room for improvement. I believe RAO has learned a whole lot of stuff during the 5yrs and he'll sure improve on the mistakes we've seen. [Rais]He also has an alarming tendency of making his subordinates ‘lose the fire in their bellies’ what happened to Orengo, Nyongo & the latest one A.Namwamba? They seem to have lost the ability to utter anything constructive to the point I always skip Nyongos Sunday article in the standard because what’s the point of reading it really... The folks you've mentioned have their own minds and brains. We can't see RAO in everything that sorrounds him. Some of the things you expect to see from these guys can be better served by the backbenchers. I would be concerned If there is any lose of ideals, principles or philosophies. [Rais]
It’s always the small things that are harbingers of the future big things...Remember that stunt he pulled in the airport with his graduation gown all the way from Florida? Who does that? A future president is so enamoured by such a token PHD? What about when he has the entire state apparatus? What then? Who in his right mind believes that RAO wore the gown all through from Florida, really? RAO is a politicians and he understands the public very well. Somethings may seem bleak to your eyes but they achieve their intended objectives... just because you don't understand it doesn't make it useless![Rais]What about the GCG? What was his plan in accepting? I know he was played big time by Kibaki but still he was a big party to his being played, he seemed only interested in the perks that came with the PM post & does the past five years look like a great achievement on his part? I think you get my drift & most of this is not news to you... Emali let's not revist the memories of 2007/08, we all know what happened and I believe every Kenyan of sound mind knows that the National Accord calmed things down, saved more lives & blood. I wonder how you arrived at your assertion that RAO is only interested in perks, c'mon now should I even respond on this one? [Rais]I look at Raila sometimes and see alot of Moi in him... This is an exaggeration to the highest degree, not even close! [Ras]@ Rais I can’t reply to every point you raised because their will be no end to this discussion and it is counterproductive to my overall view of Raila, I stated my sources and clearly that it was my opinion. I cannot go on vilifying Raila primarily because he has sacrificed a lot to be where he is today unlike most politicians (or even myself!) & I believe he is the best candidate to shepherd the new constitution (I don’t think Peter Kenneth will be a factor) so that is all I’m willing to go with this...
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Post by emali on Dec 18, 2012 20:30:49 GMT 3
emali, May you please expound on the following statement, It's too general I share your views on Raila, he does not seem to have a clear view of what he wants and how to stick to a plan...he is easily swayed by his whims, populist tendencies and those around him@ Rais Through Raila’s history, wikileaks, general news articles, Miguna’s book & my own opinion what you get from Raila is that he is not disciplined, he is lazy and is someone who has a hard time sticking to an agenda. Look at CORD for instance majority of the folks in it are certified dinosaurs of the old order, people who will have a hard time changing they corrupt ways and putting the effort required to get us where we want to go.Raila knows this but either doesn’t care (a means to an end) or figures he will be able to tame them (easier said than done). To change and manage Kenya as it is today one thing you will need in abundance is energy, does Raila look like someone filled with energy? I mean the Michuki kind of energy...Raila seems to love speaking to a crowd (abit too much) & has very little enthusiasm to sit in an office to ensure policies are executed as drafted which is what we need right now. Look at his speeches on the ICC (bring cases back home), Kenya’s hope of hosting the Olympics, His speech on compensating Garissa residents after the attacks e.t.c I could go on and on. Why does he say these things when he knows they are pipe dreams? What about the people he hires starting from his office, his party functionaries to even Miguna himself(backstabber!),he seems to have a hard time getting the best out of his staff or ensuring they are doing the jobs they were hired to do...which is a very bad sign of any leader... He also has an alarming tendency of making his subordinates ‘lose the fire in their bellies’ what happened to Orengo, Nyongo & the latest one A.Namwamba? They seem to have lost the ability to utter anything constructive to the point I always skip Nyongos Sunday article in the standard because what’s the point of reading it really... It’s always the small things that are harbingers of the future big things...Remember that stunt he pulled in the airport with his graduation gown all the way from Florida? Who does that? A future president is so enamoured by such a token PHD? What about when he has the entire state apparatus? What then? What about the GCG? What was his plan in accepting? I know he was played big time by Kibaki but still he was a big party to his being played, he seemed only interested in the perks that came with the PM post & does the past five years look like a great achievement on his part? I think you get my drift & most of this is not news to you... I look at Raila sometimes and see alot of Moi in him...
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Post by emali on Dec 18, 2012 18:56:40 GMT 3
otishotish, Your concern falls under what I call CONTORL ENVIRONMENT, the tone at the top defines for the most part what happens in any firm. In this case, the tone set by the president-elect, will define his/her term in office. RAO's success or failure if elected, will be defined by what kind of tone he sets for the people he'll entrust with leadership reponsibilities. He'll have to walk the talk both in fact and appearance and more importantly, his office will have to empower the judiciary and all other investigative bodies/ agencies by ensuring zero interferance. RAO supporters and Kenyans in general will also have to play the key role of holding him accountable. We must demand the same for whoever will be elected the next president. In an general, "abstract" sort of way, I would agree with you. In the real world of real realities, one must look at the record. There is quite a bit of truth to what Miguna had to say about some of the people in the PM's office as well as others around him. What tone has he been setting and what talk has he been walking in the last 5 years? And why should the next 5 be any different, especially given the motley crew he has just assembled? A good man but probably too compromised by now. @ Otish I share your views on Raila, he does not seem to have a clear view of what he wants and how to stick to a plan...he is easily swayed by his whims, populist tendencies and those around him... While he has a lot of strengths like being committed to the constitution I think if elected we will see alot of ‘blunders’ early on in his presidency (hopefully they don't linger)...but considering the other option is Uhuruto he seems much better in comparison....
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Post by emali on Dec 18, 2012 18:35:35 GMT 3
Classic stuff Now Mudavadi confirms everything we had all thought & Uhuru says he was ‘coerced by the devil’...really Uhuru that’s the best you can do? Pathetic...Uhuruto is lost & rudderless...what is amazing about this whole thing is that they actually believed they would not shaft Mudavadi ;D only to do so barely two weeks later...they couldn’t help themselves... They are now using MP’s as the reason for the betrayal...they want us to believe the MP's did this all by themselves
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Post by emali on Dec 18, 2012 16:17:46 GMT 3
What a comedy of errors ;D ;D what’s next ? Mudavadi walks out then at the last minute he is brought back again when Uhuruto realise for the 10th time the ICC trails are still on schedule?
Denial can be a daunting thing to overcome...we may be in for some entertainment for the next three months...
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Post by emali on Dec 15, 2012 12:12:03 GMT 3
I will give kibaki a 38% & I'm being generous. He took over the country with probably the greatest amount of goodwill any PORK will have in a very long time & five years later the country was in flames thanks to a stolen presidency, a nocturnal swearing in & creating the entry of the ICC into our internal matters(hopefully a blessing)…
His main achievements were economic & that's really what saves his presidency from being worse than the pathetic standards his predecessors set but virtually everything associated with his presidency has a 'dark side'...Thika rd is being vandalized daily, Transcentury is the conduit of all crooked government plots, many banks have emerged but no points for guessing who get the lowest rates, Equity is a government bank handling a lot of the Chinese loans & god knows what else, you can start up any business today but if successful you will probably be robbed by some thugs (or killed @ your gate) or some forces will muscle in with the help of cops some economy that is!
His handling of security is shocking, at times it looks like he has no policy at all, the results are there for all to see from cops hijacking people to convicts given free reign to proceed with their careers with the added benefit of free housing & government approval...I can't even go to some places without a feasibility study of the area...
His entrenchment of tribalism in virtually every government Parastatal matches Kenyatta (given this is 2012 it looks worse) go to KRA, CMA, KENGEN, KAA, CCK e.t.c & see non GEMA folks plight & you will see a disillusioned lot (those with ambition) whose goal in life is to leave the office ASAP...it’s pathetic no point going through the horrors of these poor folks...some of them are run like cartels!
Kibaki is best illustrated by reading Miguna,s book the guy doesn't accommodate anyone & as long as you are in his good books you can do anything...no surprise his first wife has lost it & his second was running drugs out of statehouse...the man just doesn't seem to care about what the country thinks of him, some president!
I will commend Kamalet for at least trying to be objective regarding his presidency because most GEMA folks I know can't be that objective...most seem to give his presidency an emphatic kidole like he is Lee Kuan Yew! To the point I see his presidency as a GEMA presidency not a Kenyan one no surprise the leading voter registration zone is Central...it’s as if the rest of the country has seen the Uhuru juggernaut & couldn't be bothered but central is on a roll kazi iendelee...
But rarely is anyone all bad, Kibaki is right in one sense that he has set the country for future growth…a new constitution, no state sponsored muffling of ‘dissent’, he never named any institution after himself, he never behaved like he was mkulima #1,mwalimu #1,omnipotent/omnipresent…so he did have some strong areas…
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Post by emali on Dec 10, 2012 15:29:10 GMT 3
Emali You believe conspiracy theorists and other hopefuls too quickly. Why would Uhuru invest as much as he has done just to give it away in the last minute? Does that make sense to you? Mudavadi and his UDF are late the party and he can only be a candidate for TNA nomination as I do not think his signature to the TNA/URP agreement made the deadline for 4th December. I just don’t see why Mudavadi had to be in the picture to begin with...if he was not going to be the candidate then what was the point? Pity? I believe like I said above that Uhuru had no intention to run...he is building his base for a run in 2017 & getting the required numbers in parliament/senators/governors to be influential till through 2017... I look at Ruto looking all content with a number two seat, I see all these MP’s looking like they were hoodwinked among other things...the nomination is tomorrow or soon so we won’t have to wait long to see...
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Post by emali on Dec 10, 2012 13:27:02 GMT 3
Mudavadi seems to have understood the gravity of the situation he is in and has decided to battle it out all the way. It however still remains tricky how to navigate the nomination process at Kasarani. With each of the three parties bringing in 20 delegates from each of the 47 counties, it looks like whomever wins majority of Ruto's delegates will carry the day. Very tricky if you asked me. Mmkuu Ruto knows who he would prefer to serve under and that will determine the instructions to his URP delegates. He also knows who is a lot more guaranteed to give him the DP post and that cannot be the votes that Mudavadi hopes to bring! So Mudavadi is being given a soft landing spot that ensures his graceful exit from the presidential campaign or Ruto is a very treacherous person! Either way it will be a significant regional loss to the Jubilee group whoever is nominated! I don’t think any betrayal is necessary,IMO Mudavadi will be TNA/URP/UDF’s flagbearer,I don’t see any reason for him to be in the lineup of URP/TNA/UDF if he isn’t the flagbearer,why did Uhuruto go out of their way to pull him in at the last minute? & besides if he isn’t the flagbearer he won’t add anything to the duo… It goes back to what has been suspected all along that they won’t run…and the way Mudavadi is being fronted as a ‘state house’ project is only partly true IMO he is a Uhuruto project, they agreed a long time ago with Kibakis people that this was the route they would take…the below article shows Uhuru has a mind of his own & a project like the Mudavadi one would never be imposed on him if he wasn’t on board… www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000072429&story_title=uhuru-s-long-winding-political-journeyThis one also shows where he lies on the ICC (from the 5th minute onwards)… These rebelling MP’s will either tow the line or make other arrangements like the GNU/Kiujuri group has…
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Post by emali on Dec 9, 2012 16:04:57 GMT 3
Be my guest! Nation of Kenya! The most amusing [the adjective would be horrifying in other countries] thing I read today, was that it was only late last month, Nov 2012, that the NISS, that is Gichangi Sleuths incorporated, presented a paper to the President, in which the problem of Uhuru's candidature, prospective then eventual presidency, is analysed at length, especially the possible repercussions respective Kenya's relations with her Western trading partners and backers, and their financial institutions which play no small role in the strength of the shilling. I remember I and Jukwaa at large dwelling and discussing this issue at length with the now dead handle adongo125 eons ago. That was Adongo described Wetangula as the shamba boy of Omar the presidet of some Sudan. --Me I think Weta is in better employ as Raila's cowboy, minding a cow called Ngilu at Opoda farm near beloved Bondo! But... One would have thought and known, it would take prof. Nick Wanjohi, the current Rasputin at Ikulu, just about a couple of seconds to see the fix prof. Ndung'u or whoever his replacement would be at CBK would be in, and promptly inform Kibaki his legacy was to the dogs with the ICC indictee UK. And really, Nick did this as soon as the Ocampo list was ventilated, ages ago. And that is why he zero-ed down on Mudavadi as a dark-horse, and ripped him off ODM! If true this media report, then imagine the acid if bemused smile on the face of Rasputin as he ran his fingers through the document, his eyes on Gichangi. And Gichangi returning the look with restrained malicious mockery: 'labour unrest you know, professor. Typiststs and our spies went on strike for more pay!. Pay peanuts get monkeys, or outdated intelligence reports! --or get useless police in that damned valley in Samburu!' And professor Wanjohi chews that retort, and decides Gichangi is too deep. May be in Uhuru's pockets. ..But.. porp corns when they last ... Let us join the charade of duplicity, and pretend to deduce it is this missive from the NISS that has stirred up things, forced Kibaki to call and plead with Uhuru at the eleventh hour to accommodate Mudavadi! And in doing so, precipitated a civil war in the house of Mumbi ---That is the rebellion where 40+ minions threaten to walk to the lake and abandon the Muthamaki. [They could of course, but I think they would never be seen again in the MK region. Some forms of betrayal must be punished by physical exorcism, even without a formal fatwah! But anyways, technically Shebesh would not be defecting, since even now she is still an ODM nominee! In walking to the lake, she would just be going back to her other marital home, what we Luos call odhi oduogo! [women who leave their husbands temporarily, enjoy a stint of free life, before coming back to faithful duty, though now such are referred to as okelo-okimi: muleta-ukimwi] But is is also possible of course, that Raila's CORD short-circuited Wanjohi's machinations and he went into panic mode. With the ugly consequence of Shebesh kicking his balls in live TV as posted here by nok. Nobody had briefed Shebesh that while she was away romancing in the lake in the past years, her brothers high up had been thinking about the succession, because they have enough brains to know an ICC indictee is bad for business. And the House of Mumbi loves good business. But I think Mutahi Ngunyi got this one right: all those 40+ MPs are just ticks on the bull Uhuru Kenyatta. Uhuru can shed them off this morning and replace them all before sunset. With no loss in the MK voting tally! Shebesh? by now she must know how high the demand for gikuyu beauties is at the lake. And prodigal wives are always welcomed back, albeit they may find their old huts occupied or demolished, and new ones to be constructed be done just outside the home fence! But the intensity and frequency of nocturnal dalliances depends on the returnees charms! ;D It looks like Ms Shebesh will have a very short political ‘career’...her general demeanour & lack of comprehension are very telling...the reporter kept baiting her & she kept swallowing it...even explaining ‘how powerful the V.P. is ‘ when everyone can tell they were discussing anything but tea in true Watermelon style... These MP’s have been caught with their pants down...they were never informed the goal of their mission...they were only paid to yap till kingdom come...now they realise they may be out of a job in three months...causing all sorts of panic...she has no clue...ati we will decide what Uhuru does...very naive statement...
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Post by emali on Dec 5, 2012 7:59:45 GMT 3
Reading that article you can just see the reporter with a WTF look on her face...like most of us but their are many reasons for such a ticket to actually materialize the real problem is apathy...ultimately most people don’t care & those who do in a political sense, those who actually go and register for elections & vote are very few (percentage wise)...and mainly concentrated between the GEMA/Kalenjin/Kamba/Luo communities...
If actual votes matched the census proportionally (like most of the rest of the world) you would see a very different picture...the politicians obviously know this and do whatever they want...
Uhuruto are already in you would be deluded to think otherwise...only the Courts/Kibaki can stop them not the ballot...
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Post by emali on Dec 2, 2012 13:32:29 GMT 3
Merkeju, Kapkatet was more than Ruto could have bargained for, and I am sure he went home a very, very happy man after what he saw and heard. The kind of information that Ruto has for RV is of course not what they expected, but I am surprised at how fast the ground has softened for him. If you remember, when Raila said Kibaki tosha, everyone was confused and took a lot of effort to convince people to buy into Kibaki candidature. It took the political artistry of people like the late former chair of LDP (i just cant remember his name) and Mukhisa Kituyi among others to successfully sale Kibaki. But for Ruto it has been very easy because RV knows Uhuru very well, he is like one of them. Couple that with his camaraderie with Ruto and you have it going for the two in this region. ‘He is like one of them’ ;D ;D Tell that to the birds my friend...Ruto only cares about himself and so does Uhuru...and should this dastardly duo get into power it will be politics as usual... the only thing that the PORK knows better than mistreat the people who voted him into power is treat his deputy worse...and the same goes for the VP’s people... Ruto is just covering his ass from the ICC and hoping Uhuru gets convicted & he walks free to his rightful place as PORK...Ruto already proved his ‘worth’ in the referendum with the NO vote, I had some very smart people (on other matters) trying to tell me he would actually win!...that’s how ‘good’ this fella is after learning from an unmarried geriatric teetotaller whose only job was how best to play with the masses kichwas... So there is nothing really shocking about Ruto herding a flock...we will wait & see how he hoodwinks the ICC...maybe he is smarter than I think he is....
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Post by emali on Nov 29, 2012 20:29:57 GMT 3
With the URP/TNA deal seemingly a matter of course headed by crimes against humanity suspects I thought the below article clearly illustrates where we are headed should they get elected...Guatemala in many ways has its similarities with Kenya...though a Kenya 15 years away should we choose to accept our mission much like the folks @ ‘mission impossible’...the mission being into the abyss.... Great, great article...it has everything...even our Bensouda equivalent...read for yourself... www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/04/110404fa_fact_grann
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Post by emali on Nov 20, 2012 23:07:18 GMT 3
R.I.P Kasuku
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Post by emali on Nov 9, 2012 17:01:33 GMT 3
I feel bad for Kalonzo, as a candidate I find him more palatable than most but after his election antics in 2007 he was dead politically...no one trusts him & he was always going to be ‘betrayed’ in his pact of convenience...the sad part is he seems to think he has a chance to be PORK!
He is in serious denial & his ego won’t allow him to negotiate from a position of weakness for a much lesser role in tomorrow’s politics...in two years time he will either be a pastor or a suddenly aged farmer...the guy has been toast for five years...
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Post by emali on Nov 8, 2012 22:30:19 GMT 3
AFRICA ADDIO...
An Italian documentary about the end of colonialism in Africa...alot of it is shot in Kenya during the Mau Mau era & also includes significant graphic footage of the Okello inspired Zanzibar revolution...warning to the squeamish, animal rights activists & haters of Kaburu’s...ait ain’t pretty...from blatant racism to obviously staged depictions of mwafrika’s backward ways...
But it does show Kenya back then (politically as well as geographically)...with footage I had never seen...A unique documentary in many ways...
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Post by emali on Nov 8, 2012 1:51:37 GMT 3
Whereas I agree with the author of the article in principle, there are some undertones to the writing that I take exception to. Yes, it is true that the decision of whether to run or not to remains (in the spirit and letter of the constitution) individual until the courts find them guilty, it is a little unfair to blanketly throw in issues of the nation without thoroughly discussing how such a decision can be achieved without harming the individual in question. If you take the ICC issue for instance, which is the main reason we are having this debate, it is rather obvious that some candidates have looked at it as a perfect avenue to fix their opponents and therefore have an easy ride to the throne of power. In cases where such connivance gives forth to malicious grounds such as what we are experiencing, it becomes extremely difficult to divorce the interests of the nation from those of the individual. And that is where the issue of mwananchi deciding their own destiny with such situations kicks in. The main reason we are having this debate has nothing to do with ‘such a decision can be achieved without harming the individual in question’ nor ‘it is rather obvious that some candidates have looked at it as a perfect avenue to fix their opponents and therefore have an easy ride to the throne of power’ nor ridiculously ‘malicious grounds such as what we are experiencing’…the reasons are stated clearly by every poster on this thread… The question would still be relevant if Raila was not running & the candidates are not being harmed in any way if anything it can be argued they have used the court case to propel them to their current status politically…god forbid someone mentions the same court case can finish them!
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Post by emali on Nov 8, 2012 1:49:16 GMT 3
“ The ‘office’ of a presidential candidate is not included in this list. Nor has Parliament designated it so. As is obvious, a candidacy is not an office and would not attract Chapter Six. As candidates, Uhuru and Ruto are not State Officers. And Chapter Six does not apply to those who might become State officers in the future.”I still don’t get this part maybe Otish & some lawyers may help here… If Uhuruto are elected don’t they become ‘state officers’…at that point doesn’t chapter six kick in? This is very self-explanatory. A candidate is just that, a candidate. You cannot bar anyone from running for anything on assumptions that they will be elected. The basis for being elected as president and deputy president are clearly outlined in the katiba, and as long as one meets that criteria, they are free to run. It is only after they are elected into office that the other provisions kick in (read impeachment) And even with the other provisions, all avenues of appeal must have been exhausted and the said officers found guilty. That is our katiba. I understand the candidate part...what I was asking is the same question b6k asked (I missed his post initially) and Abdulmote has seemingly answered...what is the point of Chapter six then? You have mentioned impeachment...well it has to be a first anywhere in the world to be eligible for automatic impeachment immediately one is elected as president...yes it is our Katiba but I will be excused for questioning the character of those hell bent on abusing this ‘loophole’...
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Post by emali on Nov 7, 2012 19:14:29 GMT 3
“The ‘office’ of a presidential candidate is not included in this list. Nor has Parliament designated it so. As is obvious, a candidacy is not an office and would not attract Chapter Six. As candidates, Uhuru and Ruto are not State Officers. And Chapter Six does not apply to those who might become State officers in the future.”
I still don’t get this part maybe Otish & some lawyers may help here…
If Uhuruto are elected don’t they become ‘state officers’…at that point doesn’t chapter six kick in?
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Post by emali on Nov 7, 2012 19:02:43 GMT 3
RUTO & UHURU SCREAMED FOR HAGUE!! what does i have to do with Raila?Facts are on Record and live on Video in Parliament on politicians after politicians on Ruto's side including Uhuru Kenyatta supporting the Hague -ICC process Raila should be applauded for having put in a stiff fight to have the cases in Kenya then but his vote & Kibaki's was defeated.. Your Advise to Raila is Misplaced.. try advising your buddies Ruto & Uhuru "TNT" they seem clueless and confused!! I know it is full moon out there, you may want to keep to your prescription strictly. It does not matter whether Raila voted for or against Hague, the issue here is, no one, apart from his usual blind supporters trust him on this issue. That is why he is going nowhere with this debate. @ Mwalimumkuu What debate exactly on the ICC? As you noted above in your previous post ‘There is just no way he can beat Uhuruto on this subject.’ Are you still on the ‘Raila fixed Uhuruto’ on the Hague express? or the debate you are implying is he cannot get any political mileage on the ICC issue? Uhuruto are the ones standing trail in April & I don’t see how thats about Raila...unless you mean he is being a bad sport by dancing on their graves...which seems like a very normal human trait to me...its not like if Raila wailed and joined them on a public empathy mass in Uhuru Park he would be a more attractive candidate come 2013....
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Post by emali on Nov 6, 2012 16:44:12 GMT 3
Ouali, I haven't advocated for the isolation of the Kikuyus and neither do I support any tribal attacks of any kind against any community in Kenya. You and I and like many other Kenyans know very well that our leaders for the most part only use us to achieve their interests. Here is case in point with Hon. Uhuru and Ruto, both are trying to rally their tribes into an alliance claiming that the ICC is more of a joining force than the historical injustices that none of them is willing to address. The question that Hon. Uhuru must be prepared to address and shouldn't wait to be asked is what does he believe were the failures of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta. Does he believe like many other Kenyans that the 1st president who happens to be his father, was squarely responsible for the land issues in Rift Valley? If so, isn't he then a beneficiary of that massive land grabbing? Aren't we in order as Kalenjins to ask such questions to someone who wants to lead us and yet we very much believe that his family is the cause of our woes, land wise? Ouali, the land issue between the Kalenjins and the Kikuyus in Rift Valley is real and no sugar coating of any sort will sweeten it off. Someone will have to show leadership and address this issue head on and no one is better placed to that than Hon. Kenyatta.True but... All you have to see is Uhuru & Ruto’s history...they are both in the mold of Jomo & Moi just 21st century versions...the way they have handled the ICC matter tells you all you need to know about them...they have politicised everything & you expect them to solve land issues when they above everything have showed they would love the status quo to prevail... I been to both the North Rift & Central & talked to quite a few folks...Kalenjins don’t particularly care much for Gikuyu’s & I have a hard time believing they will vote for Uhuru (post 2002 & PEV) & conversely Gikuyu’s won’t vote for a Kalenjin primarily because just by the numbers game a Gikuyu candidate starts from a position of strength (thus will comprise less) & besides PEV victims can’t stand Ruto or Kalenjins in General... The root cause of land injustices is deceit and poor leadership...Kibaki has been in power for 10 years (Uhuru by proxy too) yet some very powerful folks from Central can’t go to their village homes for fear of being extorted by Mungiki & local thugs (yet they are in a position to solve the problem)...the only thing they ever cared about is $$$...the same script that Ruto & Uhuru are reading from...they are concerned with only themselves... The land issue is complex & can’t really be ‘solved’ only ‘sanitized ‘in the sense that you cannot resettle folks from Rift Valley back to Central, you can only make people aware of the truth behind the land allocations(e.g. a ‘Kiambaa’ in the heart on North rift,I didn’t see a ‘kapsabet’ in Central) & make them aware their ‘leaders’ don’t have their interests at heart & move forward...there were no land clashes prior to 1991...good leadership ( not Uhuruto) can address the issue...
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Post by emali on Oct 12, 2012 9:19:12 GMT 3
The problem you make such sweeping statements. Seriously how do you expect to be taken seriously when you base an argument on a single example? ;D So exactly how was Maina Kiai supposed to improve the workings of the police. Was he the internal affairs minister? Was Maina the minister of public welfare to deter crime as you suggest? Your obsession with members of civil society is petty. Whatever their motives they fight for the ordinary person. You on the other hand worship the state and its entire apparatus. That is why you hate independent thinkers like Kiai. You would prefer that everyone was as regimented in thinking like you. Robert Why don't you just ignore Kamale and address the issue? It is not about Kamale! Classic stuff...Mugabe perfectly addressed your issue & you chose to dismiss him... Just so that we are all on the same page you say the following about the KWS CEO... “Julius Kipng'etich succeeded at KWS because he understood the problems that afflicted the institution - too many NGO types running all sorts of research that made KWS too reliant on donor funding (read that again!!). Julius changed all that and KWS is self reliant today and a much more disciplined institution unlike the times of 'world renown big mouths' such as David Western and Richard Leakey!”Now, how were we supposed to Know Kipngetich would succeed at KWS prior to him being appointed? As per Kamalet’s argument... “A bit of commonsense will tell anyone that the failures of the Ali era in the police force was for no other reason but the fact he was an outsider. The police force has many university graduates in its ranks and has arranged people management training for many of them”…The KWS CEO was definitely no insider to KWS…so their goes that argument..No point in going into too much detail with Kamalet,you will just end up where Mugabe did but food for thought can be found in B6K’s response (last sentence)…perhaps Kamalet knows more about Kiai than he is letting..tapped phones & all…
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Post by emali on Sept 27, 2012 15:34:07 GMT 3
The problem isn’t that he has a poor ‘legal mind’ he just has a poor mind...in his prior positions he served his master’s well which just happened to be Moi & Kibaki not the Kenyan people or the constitution, his long tenure is proof positive how ‘effective’ he was... He will serve Raila well & should ODM make the next government he will continue to serve Raila just like he did Moi & Kibaki...again to the detriment of the Kenyan people...hope he never gets anywhere near government again... I thought that he is in the running to serve the people of Busia and not Raila. Or am I missing something? Besides, he is not running to be AG but a senator. I believe that he will be accountable to his constituents and not RAO. My response was to Phil regarding his brilliant legal mind but what I said still applies to the people of Busia...how can you trust someone who flip-flops on everything based on whoever is paying/dictating to him when it’s obvious he knows better? Don't we also have enough circumstantial evidence that shows you have to dance to RAO to succeed in ODM? Wako is a great dancer & with his legal dexterity he might actually make a 'great' Senator...so I indeed could be underestimating him...
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Post by emali on Sept 27, 2012 15:02:54 GMT 3
The problem isn’t that he has a poor ‘legal mind’ he just has a poor mind...in his prior positions he served his master’s well which just happened to be Moi & Kibaki not the Kenyan people or the constitution, his long tenure is proof positive how ‘effective’ he was...
He will serve Raila well & should ODM make the next government he will continue to serve Raila just like he did Moi & Kibaki...again to the detriment of the Kenyan people...hope he never gets anywhere near government again...
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