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Post by podp on Aug 8, 2012 21:53:25 GMT 3
I gave a three-part comprehensive analysis of Miguna's message on the relevant thread. What I found in general was an angry and emotional man's collation of malicious propaganda, innuendo, hearsay and bar-room anecdotes. Of course it was peppered with half-truths and interesting but obviously concocted tales. It was indeed my focus (in reading and comprehending the book) that made me figure out not just the 'message' but chief motivation of the messenger. Finally, I must state my view that of all the presidential candidates for 2013, Raila - despite his flaws - remains the most committed to the fundamental and core reform dream (devolution, Judiciary, Police/security, land, forest conservation, poverty alleviation) based on his record. There are those who given a chance will automatically kill land reforms and paralyse the devolution project. Others would simply walk us back to the Nyayo and Kenyatta era traditions. Thus, while acknowledging Raila to be human (with his own failings), he still remains (in my view) the best hope for pushing the country's major reforms forwards. Thanks job, Let me get over the jet lag and will revert. You are real sober and focused and for that I salute you.
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 17:22:28 GMT 3
the reality is that sexism permeates all facets of our lives. By ours I mean all people; albeit in differing ways, with women and girls being the most disadvantaged. Depriving rights to one group often means bestowing undeserved and unearned privileges to the dominant group. So, you will find that time and time again the disparities between women and men will boil over to other issues. Matters that cannot be neatly rolled into "women's issues". Simone de Beauvoir's seminal work "Second Sex" was a place on which feminists have since built. If she still lived, hopefully, Simone de Beauvoir would be smart enough to acknowledge criticisms leveled against some important aspects of her positions by women in the Second Wave of the Women's Movement. so you see podp it's no diversion and neither are we attempting to get personal or is it gender sensitive? You go ahead and trivialize "gender sensitivity" all you like but we shan't be moved! kk, relaxing reading Second Sex and boy is it a bomb! Have reached where she is wondering 'How is it that this world has always belonged to the men and that things have begun to change only recently? Is this change a good thing? Will it bring about an equal sharing of the world between men and women?' Being from the old school brought to reality by the likes of you have always thought the duality between men and women was ordained! This is because as much as I understand horizontal violence and the fact that a poor woman is double oppressed (by the system and often too by her hubby as the the stories in thi thread show). What is your take on the fact that women lack concrete means for organising themselves into a unit which can stand face to face with the correlative unit. You have no past, no history, no religion of your own; and you have no such solidarity of work and interest as that of the proletariat. You are not even promiscuously herded together in the way that creates community feeling among the Diaspora Kenyans, the Runda residents (our rich that is why MM could meet RAO at late Sirkal house and share a word despite the weekend vitendawilis), the workers of Industrial Area (mukuru kwa reuben and njega), or the Kibera, Mathare etc. slums residents. You live dispersed among the males, attached through residence, housework, economic condition, and social standing to certain men – fathers or husbands – more firmly than you are to other women. If you belong to the bourgeoisie, you feel solidarity with men of that class, not with proletarian women. The proletariat can propose to massacre the ruling class, and a sufficiently fanatical Jew or Arab might dream of getting sole possession of the nuclear bomb and making humanity wholly Jewish or Arab; but woman cannot even dream of exterminating the males. The bond that unites her to her oppressors is not comparable to any other. The division of the sexes is a biological fact, not an event in human history. So what is this Second Wave of the Women's Movement? Disclaimer: No sexism intended by the above
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 12:50:40 GMT 3
IEBC has serious integrity issues. It does not matter if its BVR or OMR or any other technology. If the people in charge are compromised we are in for bad times. podp this was exactly what i alluded to earlier when i posed the question, what was the problem to be solved at IEBC www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/88212-iebc-rejected-hillary-clintons-bvr-offerTHE electoral commission on Saturday rejected an offer by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to be supplied with free Biometric Voter Registration kits ahead of the March general election. Sources privy to a Saturday meeting between Clinton and IEBC team led by chairman Ahmed Issack, vice chairperson Lilian Mahiri and CEO James Oswago said Clinton offered to pursue the matter with Washington if IEBC put through the request. The kits were to be bought by the Americans from the Canadian firm Code Inc, which undertook the pilot BVR project in 18 constituencies. It would have then be donated to the IEBC by the Americans as part of their support for free, fair and credible elections. IEBC and other officials present, however, objected to the matter citing political implications that may arise from such a donation. “The IEBC was concerned that even granted that the political implications were put aside, time constraints would make the operationalisation of the project impossible owing to the limited time left,” said the source. The Commission on Implementation of the Constitution chairman, Charles Nyachae, confirmed that the issue of BVR featured in the discussions with Clinton. He said he got the impression that the issue had featured in Clinton's earlier meetings with President Kibaki, Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Chief Justice Willy Mutunga and National Assembly Speaker Marende due to the special emphasis she seemed to have on it. Nyachae said his understanding of Clinton's offer was that the US could consider helping out on the BVR if requested. He said both he and the IEBC chairman made it clear to Clinton that the commission should be left to deliver free and fair election away from influence by any quarters, including the Cabinet. “We made our point that what is at stake in this is the constitutional requirement that IEBC delivers credible and fair election. In terms of the system, they must use a system that ensures that this is achieved and the decision on which system remains for IEBC to make. Trying to push them to such specific terms as we have heard may not be helpful,” said Nyachae. The Cabinet had on Friday advised IEBC to go back to BVR. This was days after IEBC canceled the BVR tender and opted to go manual. The CEO of the Elections Observer Group (ELOG) Kennedy Masime who attended the meeting said Clinton committed to help but only if requested: “She said they can do it but they have to be requested. In other words, its up to them.” National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) chair Mzalendo Kibunjia who also attended the meeting said Clinton sounded “very concerned” about the BVR: “She was asking what the fuss was all about and all.” Kibunjia said Clinton proposed that the NCIC embarks on a project to explain to Kenyans the practical economic effects of the Sh1 billion economy loss visited on the country by the post election violence of 2008. “The bottom-line for her was that all institutions should pull all the stops to prevent the 2007/8 experience from recurring. And she agreed that her government will help in this regard,” he said. Nyachae said Clinton assured him that her government will exert its diplomatic influence to ensure that the government remains committed to the implementation of the constitution. He said this does not amount to interference. Another issue which emerged at the meeting is the practical application of the constitutional requirement that at least a third of all elective seats be occupied by “either gender.” Clinton was keen on an arrangement that will guarantee the achievement of this requirement in the election. She is also said to have been keen on civil society organization's role in watching over the election process. In a media statement issued prior to the meeting, Clinton publicly urged the commission to deliver credible election such that no one will have cause to complain and feel taken for a ride. She used the example of her experience in politics to drive the point home. “I know its a complex election with many ballots at one go but I know the IEBC can make it and deliver it in such a manner as will make people proud the following day. I am a politician myself, I have won and lost election and I know it is important to let aspirants feel it was fair,” she said. Federation of Women Lawyers in Kenya (FIDA-K) executive director Grace Maingi-Kimani also attended the meeting.
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 11:46:11 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 10:53:12 GMT 3
IEBC has serious integrity issues. It does not matter if its BVR or OMR or any other technology. If the people in charge are compromised we are in for bad times.
The integrity of the Commissioners and Technical staff is highly questionable. What is EAAC doing on clear cases, as per the initial tender winner, of kickback requests?
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 10:20:54 GMT 3
www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/88053-is-raila-still-the-joshua-to-lead-kenyans-out-of-the-wildernessHowever, Raila’s worst sin is his defense of corruption by any member or minister of ODM. This makes Raila no different from anyone in the PNU wing of the coalition government. How can someone who protects or defends corruption be a champion of reform which can neither sprout nor grow where there is graft? Friends of Raila argue that even if he is not perfect, others competing for power with him, are worse and he should therefore be elected as the fourth president of Kenya. I disagree. If Raila does not fit the bill of liberating president, he should not be elected. Equally if his opponents don’t fit the bill either, they too should not be elected. Who then shall we elect, Raila’s diehard supporters ask in feigned desperation. Kenya has enough good people to find a Joshua among them. Equally, Kenya has enough bad people to elect another Kenyatta, another Moi or another Kibaki. If people prefer a bad president, it is not for lack of a good one. It will be out of suicidal choice. After weighing the good, the bad and the ugly of Raila in Miguna Miguna’s book, I believe the bad outweighs the good. Miguna could be the lone voice in the wilderness announcing the advent of the one who may save Kenya. Buried in the forest of Koigi's words, it's still hard to miss his cleverly calculated shout-out to Raila...kind of telling Raila to choose his friends wisely...by dropping fellows like Stanley Githunguri and picking himself and Wanyiri Kihoro instead. The fact is, Wanyiri Kihoro ain't no Koigi Wamwere. Wanyiri remains a steadfast reformist, Koigi a proven pretender. I suspect his shout-out goes beyond casually labeling Raila an anti-reformist. The likes of Koigi have unfinished business with the Katiba - which they failed to stop at the 2010 referendum. To them, either their anti-reform horse wins or they infiltrate and influence the reform horse. Koigi is calling for attention... probably wishes to join in and influence (tone-down) aspects of devolution he still fears. I once attended a fund-raiser for the previously-reformist Koigi Wamwere in Baltimore, USA when he was launching his come-back bid into politics. That fund-raiser was a humongous fraud in itself. Koigi had by then been pilfering Scandinavian taxpayers of welfare funds under fraudulent premises. As he looted from the Scandinavians, he falsely portrayed a picture of a broke reformist trying to navigate Kenya's expensive political terrain. He cleverly chose the capitalist bastion of USA to launch his lucrative fund-raisers...from yet another lot of victims - gullible Kenyans who still swallowed his snake oil. The moment Koigi landed in Bunge, he retreated into his ethnic cocoon...supplicating before Kibaki, begging for a cabinet placement. To justify his request, he turned into one of the most vile Kibaki hawks - an ethnic supremacist surpassing regular chauvinists. He turned a blind eye to Anglo Leasing and dropped all his reformist credo. He vigorously supported the 2005 Wako draft Katiba that attempted to impose an ethnic hegemony upon Kenya. Initially, Kibaki either ignored or failed to notice Koigi's vigorous 'efforts' for a while. Eventually, Koigi's poisoned pen, publishing numerous anti-Raila propagandist tirades (and pro-Kibaki platitudes) via the Star newspaper, caught Kibaki's attention...Wamwere was appointed Asst. Minister in none other than the Information Ministry where he could apply his Goebelean skills to the fullest. He became a propagandist on steroids...dedicating to the anti-devolution quest. Koigi vigorously opposed the 2010 CoE draft Katiba that ended up being passed by 70% of Kenyans. 2013 elections are now approaching. Koigi has started again seeking attention in the way he knows best...angling as a strategic anti-Raila propagandist. He has naturally joined Miguna in the quest to bring into disrepute, reformist credentials of their most feared 2013 presidential candidate. But by rhetorically asking why Raila doesn't keep him as a friend, he is probably opening the door for possible talk. His anti-devolution credentials remains unmatched. He must thus be viewed from that position. Koigi is essentially conflating the scene of the 2013 presidential candidates, declaring no reformist in the race. Its the same 'ol moral equivalency theory of "they are all anti-reformists" so it would be just ok to pick any one of them (e.g Uhuru Kenyatta)...after all they are all the same. What remains temporarily concealed is Moi's recent exposé...that the chameleon called Koigi is actually a beneficiary of Moi's irregular land allocations of the 80s within Nakuru District. Moi raised this publicly right in front of Koigi. It's no wonder Koigi remains a dedicated anti-devolution hawk - his principal reason for objecting the 2010 Katiba. Some of these counties (backed by the National Land Commission) will soon delve into how certain parcels of land transferred from public trust into private ownership. If a reformist president assumes power - most idle land may end up being taxed. Whereas no one knows for sure what each of the candidates might do - the ones feared most in this regard remain Raila and Karua. Of the two, Raila's prospects are better, thus the singular focus upon ganging-up against his quest.. These are certainly realities which scare the bejeezus out of many conservative land aristocrats and mid-size land beneficiaries as well. Koigi would definitely love a bird of the same feather, like Uhuru Kenyatta (whose family is the greatest beneficiary of mega land allocations) as the next president...hence the refrain..."they are all the same"..."there is no reformist in the race"....I suspect not many Kenyans will buy this cunningly presented snake oil. The 2013 race is definitely a horse race between a candidate holding the reformist banner, and another wielding the anti-reform to-undo list. Very likely, we are setting up for a horse race between Raila and Uhuru. job, your analysis of CMC (incidentally did you know the late Sirkal had taken a Land Rover worthy kshs 20 M and it was reclaimed back just after his death because he had not paid a cent for it! So not only the directors of CMC are bad but our Cabinet members too who drive those VW passats and can take loans for SUVs without paying back), energy (Transcentury hold exhibiting incestuous and predatory instincts) just to name a few have been stellar. But in here my intention was not to analyze one Koigi wa Wamwere or MM. Rather to bring forth his (KW and MM) message. Is it possible to focus on the message or when matters RAO come up its best to shot the messenger? If the latter I am convinced MM is a Mad Man, Koigi is fake (wants attention and is seeking money as he is no reformer). Now back to the messages please. What is your take on say nepotism as a starter. The main course may come later if we are able to be debate without going personal. I know in PNU it’s legendary as for example Minister Kimunya will not be censured as he has something going on with Judy, PORK’s daughter hence those Parliamentarians calling for his sacking alongside the CBK governor better wait for elections. Now we go to RAO…. Well in MMs book pages 175 to 177 he has something. Here we go 'The nepotism, cronyism and plain irresponsibility defies reason, logic or commonsense...I tried to remind Raila repeatedly, of those solemn undertakings to the people of Kenya. I openly challenged the decision to appoint his older brother Oburu...Ass Minister Finance....cousin Jakoyo as chief whip, sister Akinyi to diplomatic post in Los Angeles and Achieng to chair the Railway Workers pension Board....cousin Carey Onyango as Permanent Secretary of Regional Development, Elkanah Odembo (Jakoyo's brother-in-law) as Kenya's Ambassador to the USA, his cousin Paul Gondi as executive chairman of the Geothermal Development Company; another cousin from Sakwa in S. Nyanza, Ochillo Ayacko, as the executive chairman of the Kenya Nuclear Electricity Project...another cousin from Sakwa, Bondo, Joe Ager as a senior officer of Kenya Power Lighting Company job any insights on RAO’s behavior cited above as Kibaki’s nepotism is rotten to the core and we know that, but our reformer? Yawaaaaah
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 9:42:27 GMT 3
I avoided commenting on the book until I have had an opportunity to read it. Now that I have laid down the book after going through every page I urge all to do the same before making uninformed comments. I have ended up sympathizing with Miguna Miguna and viewing our PM in a completely different light. :)jeff, great as I also have reached the final part, Peeling Back the Mask. He, MM, has broken the cardinal rule of oral storytelling. Many literature critics would be comfortable if it was hare & tortoise type of tale. What is best coming out is the moral lesson. Ethics and integrity of those around PNU and ODM deities are laid bare implying the tin gods we all admire are beneath our feet! If you have travelled such a journey you can be dissappointed when you meet empty debes along the way; you can get agitated and confused when you meet people who love short cuts, steeling, etc. And do not appreciate industry, diligence and related positive virtues! Jeff, Podp,No, no, no! Not so fast guys. You still gotta tell us exactly what it is that MM wrote about the PM that made you see the light! One liners or two paragraphs like yours above is/are not informative at all. We are talking about a tome with over 500 pages here. Surely, you got more to tell us than your current performance above. Remember, you are still on Jukwaa!! Some of us have not read the book and so we need objective analysis. einstein, in red above you wanted an objective analysis RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man!
On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. Podp,If this was directed at me, then I say thank you very much. You have saved me a lot of time and hence money! And if you think I am a Raila-damu, then by the same token you are Anti-Raila and a Miguna Miguna-damu. How do you like that? Please advise your deity Miguna Miguna next time to pen a factual tome and not a he-said-she-said stuff like he did in Peeling Back His Own Mask. O.k? now you are doing a Hegelian twist! Just so that we are on the same page as regards philosophy. Let me psychoanalyze you for fun. Just to humor myself. We start with a proposal. Hegel said ‘we find in consciousness itself a fundamental hostility towards every other consciousness’ The subject can be posed only in being opposed. You are setting yourself up as the Essential, as opposed to the Other (me), the Inessential, the Object. But the Other (me) consciousness, the other ego, sets up a reciprocal claim! That is your aim which sorry Einstein I will not grant you. You cannot be my Master nor am I willing to be your Slave. I know that a Master and Slave, also, are united by a reciprocal need, in this case economic, which does not liberate the slave. And in your little world RAO and MM are united by a reciprocal need! One to be PORK and the Other to prevent One being PORK. A simplistic world indeed or you find that complex? I assume you are able to follow. We ratchet this up a note higher. Let me politely decline to be the Other i.e. I refuse to be a party to the deal of saying if you are RAO damu I need to be MM damu or PNU damu or even to make you an ally ODM damu. But remember the deity (RAO) has said MM is a Mad Man not Miguna Miguna in the kitendawili. The category of the Other is as primordial as consciousness itself. To you its RAO-MM so by extension you would have Uranus-Zeus (opposing gods in Greek mythology), Sun-Moon (One is a Star the Other just a satellite of any planet rotating around the Star), and Day-Night than it was in the contrasts between Good (RAO in your simplistic world) and Evil (MM in your real and imaginary i.e. dreams worlds), lucky and unlucky auspices, right and left, God (your hope of joining RAO when he goes to Nineveh i.e. becomes PORK) and Lucifer (MM's father and mother and you hope he joined them now). Otherness is a fundamental category of human thought. So be proud you are not the Other but the One. Now that you are the One and since MM is not standing to be PORK why waste your valuable time and energy on a non starter? Just listen to your deity (RAO) and we are home and dry with this debate closed. My conclusion as I humor myself for the new week is 'denial does not represent liberation for those concerned, but rather a flight from reality'. Have a safe flight.
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 9:14:59 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. phil, care to tell us what was just uttered just before the words of RAO to the effect 'mimi nimeamua nisikimbimbize wazimu. Nita tafuta ngua zingine' in the clip supplied by morimax How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. just curious hope you are my age mate as it is not polite to call anyone 'idiot'
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Post by podp on Aug 5, 2012 21:21:55 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken.
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Post by podp on Aug 5, 2012 18:41:12 GMT 3
Peeling the Mask, my view Let us not hang the messenger. Part 1 Senti 5 As for Bondo Senator seat, Oburu declared that he would vie, Orengo also has declared that he would vie, so the issue of a list is another rumour. I accept that Raila is no angel but when we read or listen to things about Raila, especially from those who want to discredit or paint him negatively, we must also understand that this has been tried before... wheat is mixed with chaff... Don't take everything you hear as gospel truth... You end up being a spreader and propagator of half-baked truths and whole lies. Too much has been spoken and written by so many people about Raila with the sole aim of "hurting" his person or breaking his resolve to help Kenya realize political change, Miguna has had his shot at fame, Raila remains "Nyeupe kama pamba".... www.the-star.co.ke/weekend/siasa/88053-is-raila-still-the-joshua-to-lead-kenyans-out-of-the-wildernessHowever, Raila’s worst sin is his defense of corruption by any member or minister of ODM. This makes Raila no different from anyone in the PNU wing of the coalition government. How can someone who protects or defends corruption be a champion of reform which can neither sprout nor grow where there is graft? Friends of Raila argue that even if he is not perfect, others competing for power with him, are worse and he should therefore be elected as the fourth president of Kenya. I disagree. If Raila does not fit the bill of liberating president, he should not be elected. Equally if his opponents don’t fit the bill either, they too should not be elected. Who then shall we elect, Raila’s diehard supporters ask in feigned desperation. Kenya has enough good people to find a Joshua among them. Equally, Kenya has enough bad people to elect another Kenyatta, another Moi or another Kibaki. If people prefer a bad president, it is not for lack of a good one. It will be out of suicidal choice. After weighing the good, the bad and the ugly of Raila in Miguna Miguna’s book, I believe the bad outweighs the good. Miguna could be the lone voice in the wilderness announcing the advent of the one who may save Kenya.
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Post by podp on Aug 4, 2012 23:29:38 GMT 3
There is just a hint of sexism in Podp terse retort. But then I guess its open season on Jukwaa with MM having been granted Carte Blanche through his conduit. podp, enigma is right. Why do men talk about women's cycles when they are actually clueless about the same? They speak with such authority when they should be quiet. Related to this is how a man such as podp can be otherwise intelligent and well informed while simultaneously exibiting arrested developement when it comes to sexisim. kk, enigma Took the liberty to re-post your attempts here so as not to offer diversion on the MM debate where you attempt to get personal or is it gender sensitive? Maybe this is the right place to discuss sexist, sexism and other matters considered very well in 'The Second Sex' by SBV
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Post by podp on Aug 4, 2012 23:16:06 GMT 3
I look at this from a completely different angle. With the little time remaining, I can see Kibaki et al., throwing more spanner into the works - with the singular view to push forward the election date and thus extend his tenure. www.nation.co.ke/News/Blame+game+as+Clinton+meets+Kibaki+and+Raila/-/1056/1471494/-/1568yef/-/index.html“That was the original plan but somehow things changed hours to her arrival. I do not know why the President changed the arrangement but maybe because of other issues we do not know,” the source said
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Post by podp on Aug 3, 2012 16:57:21 GMT 3
here we go:
RAILA TO ADDRESS A RALLY IN KIBERA ON SUNDAY 5TH. AUG
. Phil, it is at these Kibera Rallies that Raila usually finds himself saying things that rattle or embarrass even his most diehard supporters. Please advice him to watch his tongue this time. He better steer clear of the Miguna book completely and not even mention it. Dr. Tom Odhiambo Department of Literature University of Nairobi who is RAO supporter damu na nyumbani advises ODM and RAO supporters need to read and re-read Peeling Back the Mask. He additionally said that since MM did not say who is better than RAO consider a couple who must have a child. The gynecology tells them that in the next ten years they cannot have a good child. However, if they must they will have only one child with bent bones, ugly and note perfect. So the good Dr. Tom Odhiambo is advising that if you are that couple get on and have the baby. Read and re-read Peeling Back the Mask so that you understand how many brocken bones (corruption), bent bones (nepotism) etc. your megalomaniac will have/be. RAO needs to discuss MM and JG, if more eloquent the non issues MM and JG raises, so that more effigies of MM and JG are burnt or better still those who share his blood type can hope for jobs in sirkal and vote enmass
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Post by podp on Aug 3, 2012 16:43:09 GMT 3
OO, OBSERVATION AND RECOMMENDATIONSPodp Nice summary. The above is an obvious lie. It does not follow that age opens or forecloses the possibility of/for one to be internet savvy. Okoth Okombo and Macharia Munene are by far some of the most internet savvy scholars I have ever known. Need for a younger generation of scholars would be an apt one. What you should probably have pointed out is the passe nature of the discourse considering that the advert announcing the event was framed by Mikhail Bahktin. None of the presenters alluded to the heteroglossic and dialogic potential of text which would have yielded more enriching perspective. Discourse sounded more like a class at UOn in the 70s-80s. Thanks for telling me Prof OO and MM are ICT survy. I do not wish to dispute that. Lastly please only a small lesson in etiquettes. When one makes an observation one is not stating a fact. Hence one cannot quantify an observation which is synonym of surveillance, watching, examining, studying etc. as a ‘lie’. It all depends on your frame of reference. Now recommendations can be advice, suggestions, opinions etc. Again none which can be put in a box of items called ‘lie’! But again if you are a lady it would be those terrible times of the cycle and if you are a man, a MM type.
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Post by podp on Aug 3, 2012 12:53:10 GMT 3
5. Prof. Henry Indagasi Compared the memoir/autobiography of MM with Obama’s ‘Dreams from my Father’. MM should have consulted as his book is for the moment only. Obama’s show a human being (with failures, shortcomings etc. at the personal level) while MM is all knowing, always right,,,,,,it is the other people who are clueless, lazy, incompetent. Difficult to see oneself in him and hence less believable. CONCLUSION The audience had the best comments. Almost all Generation Y are totally in love with MM. They applaud him for not being a hypocrite. Wish more senior civil servants would write tell it all books. Insisted that once a public figure one has to be prepared to be under the spot light. Called for more discussions on corruption, nepotism and other evils bedeviling Kibaki-RAO administration rather than focus on MM and Githongo. Podp your CONCLUSION is very interesting indeed. It seems not all generation Y as you call them are buying the mantra of "reform" & "change".... Prof indagasia had it spot on! One student did ask ‘Prof I the mantra of writing a biography/memoir. Prof I said if one takes his/her life, assuming different elements play in i.e. history (research into subjects past), socializing (ask both friends and foes what they thought/think of subject), political persuasion (interrogate different ideologies and how subject measures to their inclination), geographical settings (rural home, city plus local and international) etc. then before releasing ones memoir/biography it is worthy including as many actors (historians, sociologists, government operators, contemporary commenter’s, literature critics, anthropologists, etc.) in reviewing it before releasing it to all and sundry. As for the young i.e Generation Y please take the CONCLUSION with a pinch of salt. To enter UoN nowadays there are many private security guards. To access where the event was one has to show his/her ID card and if young the mantra is one has to be a student of the UoN or have a letter inviting you in. Now if you consider we have a primary school population of 5 million plus, when standard 8 sit for exams they are 700,000 and only 200,000 proceed to secondary school. Now our public universities have an annual intake of less than 50,000 students. This is less than 1% of all students and by extension RAO, Uhuruto, MM, Kaloser and other presidential contenders rarely bother engaging this lot, other than influence say SONU elections so that they are assured of mouthpieces! Even among the 18 to 30 year olds those who have made it to university constitute a small small population and hence the tendency of politicians to hire less educated ready to take crazy risks youths. I remember last elections a doctorate degree holder tried to fell the Western Joker Hon. Bwifoli Wakoli, who while campaigning did ask in a market place 1. How many have doctorate degree? No one confirmed 2. How many have been to university? A few hands were up 3. All the remaining please join me and vote for me as I am one of you He is now the MP of the area and wants to be PORK! So please do not take my CONCLUSION to heart, unless it is only the intelligentsia!
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Post by podp on Aug 3, 2012 11:16:58 GMT 3
'got post in my facebook ' To revert to manual (or even semi-manual) systems is to take Kenya back to stone-age days. The manual system will doubtlessly consume more time to bring to near-perfection than would take to do a credible re-tendering. There are more than sufficient world-class Kenyan ICT Specialists ('Informaticians') - both at home and in the Diaspora to help wade and fast-track a transparent, fair and watertight electronic registration/BMR system. The Kenya Diaspora Alliance (KDA) an umbrella body of 20 of the largest Diaspora organizations world-wide representing a nominal membership of about 250,000 Kenyans residing outside the country has a ready 'Technical Committee' willing to help, if called upon to do so. We have even prototyped cheaper secure SMS-based and on-line based systems similar to mPesa/Tangaza and online systems used in Estonia, Venezuela and Holland, among others. Besides, why must IEBC listen to politicians; when they demand manual voting which they can manipulate, IEBC Chair rushes to give them the same. Is IEBC truly independent? Electronic systems will be faster, cheaper and less amenable to manipulation. Of course "Electronic systems will be faster, cheaper and less amenable to manipulation" but you ought to know by now that majority of our politicians are without principle and desperately want to influence the vote outcome The IEBC on the other hand realize that they may need jobs after the 2012 elections so they will bend over to please politicians or will appear to acquiesce to politicians demands that's Kenya for you. However, the million dollar question is, why not lease the biometric equipment? I suspect the need for ghost voters trumps all reason on this particular matter! www.businessdailyafrica.com/IEBC+blames+vested+interests+for+cancellation+/-/539546/1469822/-/2chv2p/-/index.htmlJustice and Constitutional Affairs Minister Eugene Wamalwa suggested that the commission explores other avenues, including borrowing the kits from Ghana or South Africa.
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Post by podp on Aug 3, 2012 10:03:49 GMT 3
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Thank you very much for posting the event here. It would have been an in-house matter as the old profs are used to talking to themselves. It was an extension of senior common room with favorite students invited but by posting the notice some of us gate crushed the party and tipped the balance of old and young Kenyans.
My simple recording (not activist, revolutionary or heckler/cheer leader version of who said what. Go below
1. Prof. Okoth Okombo
He kept to his brief i.e. textual and tone of the books i.e. Betrayal (by Hamisi); Our Turn (by Michela for Githongo); Peeling (by MM) and Decolonizing the Mind (by Ngugi). For him:-
Ngugi is revolutionary i.e. deals with systems not individuals. He hates capitalism and loves socialism.
Hamisi is a recorder. Diary keeper. Has no feelings/opinion of right or wrong
Githongo is typical whistle blower. Kibaki made mistake of thinking that with a home boy (mundu wa mucii) everything evil will be covered. However Githongo hates the rot/stench displayed by the Daudis, Kiraitus and othe power elites and bolts after being disgusted by the looters residing in State House and the Cabinet of NARC. He spy’s on colleagues who trusted him.
MM is a jilted lover. Doesn’t indicate if he was not a home boy and was not suspended if he would have revealed all i.e. spill the beans. His tone is that of anger. Textual filled with anger at being pushed out.
2. Prof. Paul N. Mbatia
Asks we debate on need to manage explosive publications. Thinks we need to go beyond the individuals and discuss the contents. Rot in parliament as concerns Hamisi; rot at State House and Cabinet as concerns Githongo; and rot in OPM in case of MM
3. Dr. Tom Odhiambo
The youngest and most hilarious of all main prsenters. He advises RAO haters to read the book and RAO lovers to read and re-read the book. Look for the moral. Is corruption good? Nepotism ok if done by your own?
He confesses that if RAO had not put a question Parliament when he had finished Kisumu Boys High School asking why no one was admitted to university (because the headmaster had not submitted the forms filled to ‘discipline the boys’ for protesting against his administration, TO would never had seen the inside of a university. Hence he will vote for RAO even if he is a toothless, senile old man of 102 years and wants to be PORK. Since MM admonishes RAO but has no one else to offer he says we still vote RAO in.
4. Prof. Macharia Munene
Githongo’s exposé made ODM happy, while MM’s has made PNU happy. MM basically was alright with RAO despite all the failings as long as he was in the house pissing out. Even if RAO turned an Amin/Bokassa it was ok to MM as long as he is one of us (Luo). But now that MM is out of favor RAO is the worst possible PORK.
5. Prof. Henry Indagasi
Compared the memoir/autobiography of MM with Obama’s ‘Dreams from my Father’. MM should have consulted as his book is for the moment only. Obama’s show a human being (with failures, shortcomings etc. at the personal level) while MM is all knowing, always right,,,,,,it is the other people who are clueless, lazy, incompetent. Difficult to see oneself in him and hence less believable.
6. Dr. Adams Oloo
MM is ok with RAO but against him once shown the door. He does not tell us, other than through Hussein (the one RAO sidelined in favor of Rachel Shebesh) who may be RAO’s replacement for PORK.
7. Onyango Oloo
He quoted extensively from ‘The Pitfalls of Psychoanalyzing Peeling Back the Mask’ and other discussions at Jukwaa forum. Implore all to read the book, even if it’s the ‘free’ down load or the cheap photocopy version (kshs 330) available in allays below Tom Mboya street. Then interrogate the issues raised rather than deal with MM the person alone.
OBSERVATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS The hall was completely full and thus explore using larger lecture theaters’ in future. Next time try including Generation Y in planning and carrying out the event as they can do live streaming and other marvels of ICT. Also invest a little more on advertisement and getting media houses to cover the event. Have female (gender) and young people on the panelists. Other than OO and TO probably none of the old Professors opens an email and hence are completely unaware of what the Generation Y thinks and says about the books.
CONCLUSION
The audience had the best comments. Almost all Generation Y are totally in love with MM. They applaud him for not being a hypocrite. Wish more senior civil servants would write tell it all books. Insisted that once a public figure one has to be prepared to be under the spot light. Called for more discussions on corruption, nepotism and other evils bedeviling Kibaki-RAO administration rather than focus on MM and Githongo.
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 12:14:03 GMT 3
[b Pointless noisemaking. The law is very clear and provides for all these things that the petitioners are asking the courts. Unless they can show that the IBEC has clearly failed to follow the law - especially with regard to voter registration - then they would have recourse to the courts. I wish Kenyans allowed the courts to deal with more important matters! www.nation.co.ke/News/Kibaki+back+from+UK+trip/-/1056/1469072/-/n15wj7z/-/index.htmlThe President cited the provision for dual citizenship and the progressive realisation of voting rights as some of the direct benefits of the new Constitution to Kenyans in the Diaspora.
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 12:01:23 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 11:17:21 GMT 3
tnk the first question i have is whether these guys understand what systems IEBC was planning on purchasing and their purpose the 2nd is whether these guys have asked the ICT experts on their opinion on how to implement such systems to ensure success 1. yes 2. just curious me! What Kenya do you know? If you are not Kenyan ignore the question but if you are Kenyan do you really know why we have a weak public procurement legislation and that the lack of citizen oversight in procurement procedures have resulted in enormous waste of taxpayers' money? If you can answer yourself then you do not need to ask me or anyone else the 2nd question.
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 11:07:42 GMT 3
(...), they are intimately meshed into the government and are the most notorious culprits that loot our country. But let us hear your psychoanalysis of the ecosystem Does Miguna tackle this important debacle somewhere in the book?PS: When I and others once cornered Nyong'o at some funeral in destitute Nyanza, the erstwhile professor refused to shed light of this dark spot, leading a local critic to praise him, that his beard was as shaggy as his wife's beard! whatever that meant. Imagine a board meeting of 40 people with 5 tough agendas to handle, and every speaker gets 10 minutes per agenda! And if the speaker is a politician, it can never be ten minutes! it is so dysfunctional I really am dying to hear how the architects sold it to themselves, such an elephantine cabinet! MM says RAO went without anyones knowledge. His mobile was off. They all saw like all Kenyans RAO and Kibaki emerge from Sagana State lounge with the 40+ cabinet. Its that and the story of how we ended up with a Presidential system in our current Constitution that show RAO as a lone ranger on 'delicate' matters, like a Ayitteh's hippo on elephant matters... www.povertycure.org/voices/george-ayittey/“ If you look at the post-colonial [African] history, you can divide it into two classes of people. There is the Hippo Generation; the Hippo Generation are the ruling elites. They are those who have monopolized political power and they are those who are stuck in their muddy, pedagogical patch. They are ornery, pudgy, and stodgy in the sense that they can’t explain why Africa is in such a mess. They blame everybody else instead of themselves. It is always colonialism! Imperialism! And they believe that the only way you can solve the problems in Africa is by giving the state more power and more foreign aid. That’s the Hippo Generation. It’s what has dragged Africa into this particular swamp. Africa is not going to move forward with the Hippo Generation, and it is on the back of this Hippo Generation which the United Nations, the World Bank, and the IMF have been trying to hitch a ride with this same old aid driven boondoggle. And that’s why we’re not getting anywhere in Africa. By contrast we have the Cheetah Generation. The Cheetah Generation is the new and angry generation of Africans who can see that their leadership have failed them. And the Cheetah Generation are those young Africans, you may call them the restless generation. They’re not going to sit there and wait for governments to come and do things for them. As a matter of fact, they’re not going to sit there and beg for foreign aid, because they can see that every social need in Africa is a business opportunity. The Cheetah Generation is entrepreneurial. So they are going to get off and take their own initiative to solve problems in Africa. Africa’s salvation and Africa’s future rests on the backs of this Cheetah Generation. They are the young and the agile and they’re fast, and you can see a lot of them. Many, many, many African countries who are not just sitting there and waiting for governments to come and do things for them. In fact, their outlook is refreshingly different. Asia has its Tigers; Africa will have its Cheetahs.”
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 10:34:54 GMT 3
Now bloggers, with this example I hope I have illustrated one of the pitfalls of psychoanalysis! It is hot yes, but really just amusement. Imagine I start asking whether Elderkin is married or not, and if not, what are the childhood traumas that belie this inability to form a 'marital bond?' I think that is pure bulldung, yet that is exactly what we are doing to Miguna with a gusto! No comment to add but lets hear the MM critics psychoanalyze him for reverse psychology effects! Reverse psychology can be a dangerous weapon - wield it with careful consideration!
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 10:12:13 GMT 3
The Diaspora File Court Petition Seeking Inclusion & Participation in Upcoming Elections
Concerned with their apparent marginalization and exclusion from matters of national strategic importance (despite their numeric strength and contribution to the economy), Kenyans residing outside the country yesterday filed in the High Court Nairobi a Petition seeking for their inclusion and participation in the upcoming general elections.
Through their Umbrella Organization, Kenya Diaspora Alliance (KDA), which brings together about 20 main Diaspora organizations from across the world, the Petition was filed on their behalf by Kounah & Company Advocates. Senior Counsel, Paul Muite will lead the Petition Team, which shall also include Hon. Gitobu Imanyara, Senior Counsels Aurelio Rebelo, Ochieng' Nyamogo, James Kounah, among others.
The Petition is filed against the Attorney General, as the Government's Chief Legal Advisor and Representative, the IEBC, the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Minister for Immigration.
There are 4 main prayers in the Petition:-
a) Timely and optimal registration of Diaspora and adequate arrangements for them to vote;
b) Use of secure electronic voting (mobile phone-based and/or online) for Diaspora voters
c) Provision for Diaspora to vote not only in presidential but also parliamentary, senatorial, etc positions as provided for in the constitution
d) Removal of obstacles for 'dual citizens' to have their citizenships reinstated and be able to vote in the upcoming elections.
The Petition is signed on behalf of KDA and its member organizations by its Co-Convenors, Dr Shem Ochuodho, a Former Member of Parliament currently working in South Sudan, and Gichane Muraguri, Kenya Representative and Former President of Kenya Community Abroad (KCA), one of the member organizations of the Diaspora umbrella body. Among the other member organizations of KDA, believed together to represent over 250,000 Kenyan Diaspora are Kenyans for Change (K4C), Diaspora Movement of Kenya (DMK), New Vision Kenya (NVK-Mageuzi - one of the Petitioners), Kenyans in UAE, Kenyans in Nigeria (KINs), Kenya Movement for Democracy & Justice (KMDJ), Kenya Pro-democracy Diaspora Movement (KPDM), Diaspora Community Projects (UK), Kenyans in Zimbabwe, etc.
The case filed under certificate of urgency has been fixed for hearing in September, since the court proceeds today on August recess.
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Post by podp on Aug 2, 2012 10:06:00 GMT 3
'got post in my facebook '
To revert to manual (or even semi-manual) systems is to take Kenya back to stone-age days. The manual system will doubtlessly consume more time to bring to near-perfection than would take to do a credible re-tendering. There are more than sufficient world-class Kenyan ICT Specialists ('Informaticians') - both at home and in the Diaspora to help wade and fast-track a transparent, fair and watertight electronic registration/BMR system. The Kenya Diaspora Alliance (KDA) an umbrella body of 20 of the largest Diaspora organizations world-wide representing a nominal membership of about 250,000 Kenyans residing outside the country has a ready 'Technical Committee' willing to help, if called upon to do so. We have even prototyped cheaper secure SMS-based and on-line based systems similar to mPesa/Tangaza and online systems used in Estonia, Venezuela and Holland, among others. Besides, why must IEBC listen to politicians; when they demand manual voting which they can manipulate, IEBC Chair rushes to give them the same. Is IEBC truly independent? Electronic systems will be faster, cheaper and less amenable to manipulation.
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Post by podp on Aug 1, 2012 11:48:15 GMT 3
tnk from i for one will make some time using the various reviews also peel back the pages in that book to look for fact (exaggerated or not) and separate from fiction and use that to pragmatically assess what a RAO presidency truly means for the country. all we need is facts not abuses, not intellectual bullying and not intimidation from whichever side. just simple evidence that we can read and discern for ourselves. to
Let Raila deal squarely with corruption, nepotism and abuse of power claims detailed in my book. Let him address his leadership failures. Let him acquit himself of the serious charges that he is not a reformer but a turn-coat. Let him deal with my charge – which I repeat here – that he has become a merchant of impunity. Why is he trying to defend his two senior staff who has been implicated in more than a dozen corruption cases? Why is he retaining Mohamed Isahakia as his Permanent Secretary after the High Court ruled that he had stolen public houses in the Woodley Estate? How about the NHIF houses; hasn’t Isahakia openly admitted through a recently released ‘audit report’ (which he signed) that he illegally acquired houses in a scheme intended to help Kenyans of modest means? How about other ODM cabinet ministers and assistant ministers implicated in corruption and other serious crimes; why hasn’t Raila fired even one of the culprits?
Raila should be told that Kenyans know who Caroli Omondi works for; just as they know who Julius Kulei worked for under retired President Moi. Why is Raila insinuating that he is the embodiment of reforms in Kenya; he isn’t. He used to be a soldier with many others. But he long abandoned the struggle for the transformation of Kenya and has become one of the worst Kanu Orphans. Let him declare his wealth and how he acquired each and every shilling since he became a politician. Threats will not do. Not with me anyway.
Raila and his desperate groupies have clearly not read the book carefully, or at all. I urge everyone to relax and read the book before some of them perish of unnecessary heart attacks and/or emotional explosions.
Diversionary tactics will not work with me. Raila is the one running for president; not me. He is the one holding an important public office; not me. He is the one we are paying through our taxes to uphold the Constitution and respect the law.
where is the ecosystem? You may substitute Raila with Uhuruto, Mudavadi, Wetangula etc. in MM's post so as to try and be objective because I am convinced as explained by Frank Mwaniki that the strongest message to learn from Peeling Back the Mask is that rather than political parties keeping our government honest and responsible to the people, they are intimately meshed into the government and are the most notorious culprits that loot our country. But let us hear your psychoanalysis of the ecosystem
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