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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 3, 2011 22:33:34 GMT 3
mwalimumkuu, you have rubbished ODM at every opportunity why should anything they do surprise you?let the party deal with the rebels the best way they know how. if anything this will jolt them to the reality that an expulsion is not far-fetched and it's about time they stopped their juvenile rants and frequent display of insolence to the party leadership. i doubt ruto will want to face the 40 something rivals in his backyard don't you agree? Akinyi Not that it surprises me, but it offers yet another opportunity for Kenyans to be reminded that these fellows are not leaders, but power seekers. If they cannot run a political party effectively and effienciently and in adherence to their own party's laws, how can they run a country? Meanwhile here, they are reminded that their threats will not work: www.youtube.com/user/NTVKenya#p/u/1/wEdxQQwi4zwnot so fast. if the party's real intention is to kick these debes out...believe me they will. By the way don't you wish to have everyone abandon ODM so that it truly becomes the regional empty shell that you claim it is? so what is it that you are on about?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 3, 2011 22:48:15 GMT 3
Questions of double standards. Raila-Ruto war in ODM explodes once again Wrangles in ODM have now spilled outside the party with plans by about 40 MPs to lodge a dispute against the leadership with the Political Parties Dispute Tribunal. Leading the charge are two MPs, Adan Duale (Dujis) who is also the party’s vice chairman and Isaac Ruto (Chepalungu) whose membership the party has disowned. The two are allied to Eldoret North MP William Ruto and a group of MPs from the Rift Valley fighting PM Raila Odinga, who is the party leader. Insiders say by going to the Tribunal, the two would be attempting to fend off expulsion from the party, which would end their status as MPs and force them to seek re-election. Mr Peter Simani chairs the tribunal. Other members are Mr Chacha Odera and Reverend Jessie Mutura. The events signal a boiling over of long-running wrangles in ODM, and could see plenty of dirty linen aired publicly. MPs allied to William Ruto have in the past threatened to dump the party for the United Democratic Movement, but are yet to do so. The MPs claim that they are being stopped from exercising their freedoms of association and that the party leadership is trying to apply rules in a discriminatory manner.They plan to raise a number of issues with the Tribunal among them a complaint on the use of Sh67 million from the Political Parties Fund, saying the party has failed to set up branches at the grassroots. They also claim by targeting them, the ODM leadership is overlooking the party’s Constitution and applying double standards in dealing with members seen to be "errant". "We want to be told which party we have formed, its members and leadership structure," Duale said at a press conference in Nairobi. The two said if their crime is to associate with United Democratic Movement (UDM) Prime Minister Raila Odinga should first sack UDM’s Prof Hellen Sambili (Mogotia) as minister for East African Co-operation."We have a right to work with affiliate parties like Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Charity Ngilu’s Narc and Chama Cha Uzalendo (CCU). They should sack Sambili first before telling us not to support UDM," Duale said. The two added that there were MPs who supported the above parties during recent by-elections. But ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo and his deputy Mr Benjamin Washiali (Mumias) said there is no dispute warranting intervention by the Tribunal, insisting that Duale and Isaac Ruto have ceased to be members of ODM. They said this was in line with the ODM constitution which states that a member by "accepting an office, subscribing to or promoting activities of a political party or organisation whose aims and objectives are in competition with or conflict with those of ODM" are deemed to have left the party. And on UDM, Midiwo said there was no legal agreement of an alliance between ODM and UDM save for Narc, PDP and CCU. "It does not mean that if we did not take action on a previous case we would not take any action against any other case. The case of the two MPs is just the beginning," warned Midiwo. He said they are compiling a file on other MPs, including William Ruto, for appropriate action. Midiwo said that the party is getting ready for 2012 and it would like to clean its house before it is too late Analysts say the William Ruto-led rebels are treading a tightrope, because losing their seats due to "changed" party allegiance could see them forfeit running in a subsequent by-election, as the law says a candidate must have been a legitimate member of a party for at least three months prior to any election. Because they are still members of ODM, they can legally not join another party without first resigning from the Orange party. This would immediately trigger the process of ODM asking the Political Parties Registrar Lucy Ndung’u to write to House Speaker Kenneth Marende, asking him to declare the seats vacant. General elections There is also the challenge of spending money on a by-election they have no guarantee of winning as riding on Ruto’s name would not be enough to lock out challengers, and the fact that polls are due next year. The row has been simmering for a long time but things appeared to come to a head on Wednesday when ODM’s deputy secretary general Joseph Nkaissery wrote to the registrar of political parties, Lucy Ndung’u, telling her that Dujis MP Aden Duale and Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto have been expelled from the party. Nkaissery said the two were being expelled for "advocating for the formation of another political party, namely United Democratic Party" against the Political Parties Act. Nkaissery’s letter was a hurried response to a memo from Ndung’u who had earlier refused to act on a request from ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo that she writes to Speaker Marende that the two MPs have ceased to be members of the party. The letter was signed by Nkaissery because the substantive ODM Secretary General Prof Anyang’ Nyong’o is out of the country seeking treatment. On Wednesday afternoon, Ndung’u threw back the ball back to ODM saying the role of expelling members rests with the party’s leadership, and must follow party procedures. Immediately after Ndung’u addressed a press conference to state her position on the matter, Nkaissery dispatched a new letter saying "the party has in accordance with the provisions of section 17(4) (d) of the political parties act 2007 read with our party constitution, struck them off the register of party members". But yesterday, William Ruto and several of his allies claimed Raila’s faction was pushing them into a corner and threatened a mass walkout from the party by his allies.Isaac Ruto yesterday said Raila’s allies were using double standards, claiming Nkaissery campaigned for a PNU’s Gideon Konchellah during a repeat poll in Kilgoris in 2008, and it was ironical for him to accuse him (Ruto) of supporting UDM civic candidates belonging to UDM. Ruto campaigned for UDM’s in Sotik. "In 2008 I campaigned for UDM candidate (Alexander Sitenei) in the Sotik by-election, Nkaissery was at the same time campaigning for PNU candidate in the neighbouring Kilgoris constituency. That is a fact," he said.
He also argued that during the recent by-election in Juja, nominated ODM MP Rachel Shebesh campaigned for the Kenya National Congress candidate, but due to selective application of the party rules, both Nkaissery and Shebesh have not been cited for illegality.Speaking in Eldoret, William Ruto claimed Raila was a dictator and so those with divergent views from his own were threatened with suspension from the party. "We built ODM from scratch as a democratic mass party that respects freedom of speech, expression and association. But it has been turned into a dictatorial one with an idol who must be worshipped," Ruto said.He said, "Those who do not worship the idol are either removed from the Cabinet, Parliamentary Committees or threatened with suspension and expulsion. This is unacceptable to us". Ruto was accompanied Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka who faces unflattering allegations about his political maneuvers in the latest secret US Embassy cables leaked by online whistleblower, WikiLeaks. Kalonzo who was on his way to officiate the opening of the Eldoret Agricultural Show, used derogatory language while supporting Ruto when he said: "There are many ways of skinning a rat. After all, all the MPs who feel frustrated can go to the polls and be re-elected by the people."Others present included Agriculture Minister Sally Kosgei, MPs Zakayo Cheruiyot, David Koech, Joshua Kuttuny and Peris Simam and Ekwe Ethuro. Kalonzo supported Ruto saying when people are pushed to the wall, they is always a way out. Yesterday, The Standard established MPs allied to Ruto held a series of meetings in the last three weeks. The MPs have been holding a series of meetings in the last three weeks with their lawyers in Nairobi. Asistant minister William Cheptumo said: "If those seeking the Presidency are pushing for expulsion of members they disagree with, what would happen when they are leading the country and they disagree with Kenyans, will they expel them out of the country?"Kuresoi MP Zakayo Cheruiyot, Benjamin Langat (Ainamoi) and Isaac Ruto (Chepalungu) confirmed the move in separate interviews with The Standard on Thursday. - Reporting by Athman Amran, Vitalis Kimutai and Vincent Bartoo www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000030391&cid=4&ttl=Raila-Ruto war in ODM explodes once again
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 3, 2011 23:21:16 GMT 3
Akinyi Not that it surprises me, but it offers yet another opportunity for Kenyans to be reminded that these fellows are not leaders, but power seekers. If they cannot run a political party effectively and effienciently and in adherence to their own party's laws, how can they run a country? Meanwhile here, they are reminded that their threats will not work: www.youtube.com/user/NTVKenya#p/u/1/wEdxQQwi4zwnot so fast. if the party's real intention is to kick these debes out...believe me they will. By the way don't you wish to have everyone abandon ODM so that it truly becomes the regional empty shell that you claim it is? so what is it that you are on about? You dont just get it, do you? That, ODM is a regional party is not under any contention, (infact if you asked me, it is fast degenerating into a family affair with cousins all over the place). The long and short of all this however is the way it exposes the ineptitude of the party's leadership to all and sundry.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 3, 2011 23:48:01 GMT 3
not so fast. if the party's real intention is to kick these debes out...believe me they will. By the way don't you wish to have everyone abandon ODM so that it truly becomes the regional empty shell that you claim it is? so what is it that you are on about? You dont just get it, do you? That, ODM is a regional party is not under any contention, (infact if you asked me, it is fast degenerating into a family affair with cousins all over the place). The long and short of all this however is the way it exposes the ineptitude of the party's leadership to all and sundry. look who's talking will you stop embarassing yourself for once - regional party indeed. you constantly disparage ODM leaders like mudavadi and nkaissery calling them meek and all sorts of names just because they have refused to be ruto sychophants? let me ask for the last time what are you on about? shouldn't you be happy that the rutos and duales now have a chance to join the God-forsaken party that you all subscribe to. By the way what's it called?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 4, 2011 0:02:13 GMT 3
Analysts say the William Ruto-led rebels are treading a tightrope, because losing their seats due to "changed" party allegiance could see them forfeit running in a subsequent by-election, as the law says a candidate must have been a legitimate member of a party for at least three months prior to any election.
Because they are still members of ODM, they can legally not join another party without first resigning from the Orange party. This would immediately trigger the process of ODM asking the Political Parties Registrar Lucy Ndung’u to write to House Speaker Kenneth Marende, asking him to declare the seats vacant.
General elections
There is also the challenge of spending money on a by-election they have no guarantee of winning as riding on Ruto’s name would not be enough to lock out challengers, and the fact that polls are due next year.
But yesterday, William Ruto and several of his allies claimed Raila’s faction was pushing them into a corner and threatened a mass walkout from the party by his allies.
Technical legalities aside (and those are easy to resolve if at all they really exist) the political fallout is what we should look out for now. The train has left the station. Kina ruto acknowledge that they have been sucker punched in the solar plexus and are gasping for air, they have been forced into a corner and face some very unpalatable choices. This is simply a very astute move, maybe the execution was a little clumsy. But thats neither here nor there. Time wise it could not have come at a better juncture. The are so many questions that ruto et al will have to consider. Have they been members of a different party for like 3 months so that they can constitutionally run on that party? Which party is this? So why are they still on ODM certification in the legico? This issue has clearly exposed the soft underbelly of the ruto group. They were not smart enough to plan ahead. Now if they are expelled and the expulsion is legally legit what do they do? Can they even run? Did these guys even look at the PPA before they started biting the hand that fed them? Do they even realize just how much dodo they are in? Is this another front ruto wants to open up and do battle given that he has active cases both in the Local and International courts? Sometimes you get what you wish for and then whine. You already know what Karma is eh? Oh yea and it comes back to bite your rear end. I hope ODM starts cranking up the vice pole pole, and squeeze these fellows out the hard way. Let them feel the pain kidogo. Lets also appreciate just how calculating and strategic the patience of team ODM has been with the rebels. For a long time a lot of people have called for their ouster. I think the time is now ripe!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 4, 2011 0:03:22 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 4, 2011 0:40:23 GMT 3
... Pay attention to Kalonzo's view on the same. Is he dissing the lame duck P.O.R.K as inebriated on drugs, or is he talking about Mary and arturs or how he will pita kati kati? ;D ;D
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2011 1:06:48 GMT 3
ODM-K might be the party. They were members before ODM was formed. Speculation but I cant se any other way for them to fulfill the 3 month rule.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 4, 2011 1:23:35 GMT 3
PM,
I like the hyperbole I am seeing. People who were trashing ODM day and night are now crying that they are being kicked out of "their" party. All of a sudden ODM is their party. If William Ruto has any guts let him lead a mass pullout from the party. These little cowards are good at talking a storm but deep down they know they have no courage to follow up with their empty threats.
I think ODM should stick with the expulsion of Isaac Ruto and Duale. They have made the move they have to stick to it. The process seems very simple and straight forward. Go with it. Ruto said he is ready to go for a by election. Let him go for it. Ruto got that seat after loosing it in 2002 and he had to tag on ODM. Let him go for re-election and he will find out if all that the people of Chepalungu are interested is fighting Raila. He might be in for a shock.
William Ruto has threatened to pull out his crew to go for the by elections. That would be perfect and this is the best time. First of all Ruto will be shocked by how many if his Rift Valley ODM M.Ps will grow cold feet and refuse to follow him. These people like their money.
Ruto will be lucky to get 5 M.Ps going with him to the by elections. ODM has to call the Ruto bluff and do it now and end this nonsense once and for all. I intend to pass my ideas to my ODM friends on how this can be done effectively. I will give them my free advice.. But I think Ruto is presenting the ODM a perfect opportunity to end this storm in a tea cup which is taking too much time that ODM should be using to build the party for 2012.
The really cute thing is that William Ruto might find himself running for a by election while also running away from Ocampo. That would be fun. Today the DN picked up the Wikileaks story we have been reporting here in Jukwaa that even President Kibaki as he was sending his own cops to kill Kenyans said directly that it was William Ruto who was responsible for the killings and mayhem in Rift Valley. That is a matter now at the ICC.
In my view. politically, William Ruto at this time under these conditions, could lose his Eldoret North seat in a by election. All the odds are against him and Kibaki will not help him. He will be stuck with the wiper man who is increasingly becoming a national laughing stock
That means now it is no longer just Ocampo or Raila trying to fix William Ruto, it also Kibaki who fingered him (most likely with the help of dossier from NSIS) that William Ruto was the mastermind of the PEV in Rift Valley. Let Ruto wear that as a badge of honour at the by elections. He will understand that the by-elections are not going to be just about Raila. So bring it ON dudes. Time is now. Get a little courage and take the fight to the voters.
This button has to be pushed to its logical end but it must be done in a very smart way. This where great political minds like (like Tom Mboya, like him or hate him) were huge assets. ODM has to get the best plan in place and then go for it. It will be done. We have to go to work. All of ODM has to.
adongo
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Post by tnk on Mar 4, 2011 1:49:39 GMT 3
PM,I like the hyperbole I am seeing. People who were trashing ODM day and night are now crying that they are being kicked out of "their" party. All of a sudden ODM is their party. If William Ruto has any guts let him lead a mass pullout from the party. These little cowards are good at talking a storm but deep down they know have no courage to follow their empty threats. I think ODM should stick with the expulsion of Isaac Ruto and Duale. They have made the move they have to stick to it. The process seems very simple and straight forward. Go with it. Ruto said he is ready to go for a by election. Let him go for it. Ruto got that seat after loosing it in 2002 and he had to tag on ODM. Let him go for re-election and if all that the people of Chepalungu are interested is fighting Raila. He might be in for a shock. William Ruto has threatened to pull out his crew to go for the by elections. That would be perfect and this is the best time. First of all Ruto will be shocked by how many if his Rift Valley ODM M.Ps will grow cold feet and refuse to follow him. These people like their money. Ruto will be lucky to get 5 M.Ps going with him to the by elections. ODM has to call the Ruto bluff and do it now and end this nonsense once and for all. I intend to pass my ideas to my ODM friends on how this can be done effectively. I will give them my free advice.. But I think Ruto is presenting the ODM a perfect opportunity to end this storm in a tea cup which is taking too much time that ODM should be using to build the party for 2012. The really cute thing is that William Ruto might find himself running for a by election while also running away from Ocampo. That would be fun. Today the DN picked up the Wikileaks story we have been reporting here in Jukwaa that even President Kibaki as he was sending his own cops to kill Kenyans that it was William Ruto who was responsible for the killings and mayhem in Rift Valley.That means now it is no longer just Ocampo or Raila trying to fix William Ruto, it also Kibaki who fingered him (most likely with the help of dossier from NSIS) that William Ruto was the mastermind of the PEV in Rift Valley. Let Ruto wear that as a badge of honour at the by elections. He will understand that the by-elections are not going to be just about Raila. So bring it ON dudes. Time is now. Get a little courage and take the fight to the voters.This button has to be pushed to its logical end but it must be done in a very smart way. This where great political minds like (like Tom Mboya, like him or hate him) were huge assets. ODM has to get the best plan in place and then go for it. It will be done. We have to go to work. All of ODM has to. adongo wiliam ruto's problem is a little more complex, than that of duale or isaac ruto this man has like a gazillion cases pending in court. only one is needed to nail him the demands of integrity on state officers as set out in chapter 6 of the constitution is much higher. in all probability i believe this is the last public post william ruto will hold. i dont see how an independent ECK will clear william ruto for public office. the writing is on the wall
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Post by shifta on Mar 4, 2011 5:23:43 GMT 3
I know I am missing something in this debate or am I not? I have criticized ODM for being disorganized and cluleless in the past, but in this case Ruto and his rebels are way off, ODM is spot on. How do you go about trashing the party that elected you and declare that you have pretty much abandoned it, campaign and join forces with the opposition and then cry ati "democracy", and call yourself a member of the party? Even in the most democratic of the countries - US - you would not get a commitee post leave alone a sub-committee.
This is simply poltical cowardcie. Akina Ruto will not abandon ODM; they will have to be kicked out and their goal is to first destroy it. They are somewhat succeding everyday the headlines reads " ODM rebels...blah blah..." ODM is also helping them as I said, it is bumbling, fumbling like its other brother parties. Why did it take it this long to even start a process and then it seems it has no clue how to go about kicking rebels out.
Akina Isaac Ruto and Kuttony have debts and debts that they cannot afford to pay if the 1million shs. monthly wages and kick backs were not coming in. No way are they going for By-election.
I am so tired of these bunch of noize makers - ODM needs to develop a backbone. Kick them out. Just do it!!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 4, 2011 8:51:04 GMT 3
When ODM reduced itseldf to the individual rather that the organisation, these problems were bound to arise. If you ask me the beef the Rutos and the Duales of this world have is with the Party Leader Raila Odinga and not exactly the party itself. They have been critical of Raila consistently and if this is what they are being punished for under the guise of being critical of the party, then this country should be afraid....very afraid of what an ODM leadership would be like!
Hugo Chavez....kaa kando!
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 4, 2011 9:16:19 GMT 3
Any party should be able to expel any member that does not represent the party in regards to the rules and regulation governing the party and the party agenda.. it is like being in an open marriage where both Husband and wife have affairs outside their marriage and when caught cheating red handed in bed !!deny outright straight faced!! refuse to acknowledge their mistake, deny having affairs and threaten to burn the matrimonial home down .. utter nonsense.. those two irritable turn-coat MP's among others should be expelled with immediate effect before they burn the house down.. bure kabisa hawa..
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 4, 2011 9:26:08 GMT 3
"KKK" alliance was formed and being tooted around? were PNU members informed? What PARTY DOES UHURU KENYATTA BELONG TO? "KKK" PNU OR "KANU"
IF KANU HAS DECIDED TO FALL ASLEEP ON THE SIDELINE WHILE UHURU RUNS AROUND DESTROYING IT!! Why should ODM party follow suit? expelling members who have decided to join other parties openly like "KKK" and "UDM" is an act of DEMOCRACY within the party.. good riddance! .KENYANS VOTERS AIN'T THAT STUPID i SHOULD ADD 2012 WILL BE AN INTERESTING election year, while some of those spewing threats and hate will be lounging at the HAGUE!
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Post by reporter911 on Mar 4, 2011 9:57:45 GMT 3
When ODM reduced itseldf to the individual rather that the organisation, these problems were bound to arise. If you ask me the beef the Rutos and the Duales of this world have is with the Party Leader Raila Odinga and not exactly the party itself. They have been critical of Raila consistently and if this is what they are being punished for under the guise of being critical of the party, then this country should be afraid....very afraid of what an ODM leadership would be like! Hugo Chavez....kaa kando! ;D ;D ;D what a joke? using on here Renneberger fear mongering! shame! ati fear of ODM leadership? did I hear right? 1. which leadership in the country today spilled innocent blood all over Kenya? PNU leadership
2. which leadership ordered the police to use live ammunition on innocent Kenyans in 2007-2007? PNU leadership!
3. which leadership used Extrajudicial killings and death squads on more than 1000 Kenyans youths "mungiki" didn't give them a chance to face the law of the land for their crimes? PNU
4. Which leaderships have carried out assassinations in Kenya? Tom Mboya & JM Karuiki among others under Jomo Kenyatta- Robert Ouko under Moi and under Kibaki "Professor Odhiambo Mbai" Now lets try again? whose leadership here is in question? PNU!!Kanu or ODM? ODM leadership which you were referring to the PM has no blood on his hands and it would be the best leadership for Kenya. unlike the Gaddaffi style leadership Jomo Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki bring down the country without any care or accountability too much innocent blood split Kenyans are still waiting for justice.. fear mongering will never work in Kenya.. because Kenyans are too smart to be taken in with such crap!! ;D
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Post by mzee on Mar 4, 2011 10:24:49 GMT 3
Jukwaa, Siasa aside, is this move to expel Ruto and co wise? I know that they have done all manner of things (criticizing Raila is NOT one of them) to deserve exclusion from the party. But from a larger perspective what would happen if half of the Kalenjin MP´s call ODM´s bluff, pull out of the party seek re-election and be elected on another party ticket? Would this mean the end of RAO´s premiership? What is ODM´s strategy in this? Have they perhaps calculated that they will take most of the seats in case of mass resignation by akian Ruto? This is going to be tricky. Dont you think?
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Post by phil on Mar 4, 2011 10:38:55 GMT 3
Jukwaa, Siasa aside, is this move to expel Ruto and co wise? I know that they have done all manner of things (criticizing Raila is NOT one of them) to deserve exclusion from the party. But from a larger perspective what would happen if half of the Kalenjin MP´s call ODM´s bluff, pull out of the party seek re-election and be elected on another party ticket? Would this mean the end of RAO´s premiership? What is ODM´s strategy in this? Have they perhaps calculated that they will take most of the seats in case of mass resignation by akian Ruto? This is going to be tricky. Dont you think? Mzee This expulsion is the best thing since sliced bread. Let me assure you, as a man on the ground, the majority of ODM supporters back this move. Majority of Kenyans agree that Ruto and allies have exceeded their luck. You only need to listen to FM radio station call-in programs to get to know the pulse of the nation. Look at comments by readers in all mainstream media and you will know what I mean. Of course these people have made RAO their pet subject. That is not in doubt. The loss of the premiership is a little more tricky that most pundits would want to admit. This NARA is the trickiest piece of legislation I have seen in recent times. Besides, what guarantee is there that all of Ruto's allies will be re-elected if they resign en-mass? You need to go and talk to villagers on the ground and understand their feelings. It will also tell why a censure motion has been on the cards fro three years now but there is no one to introduce it. If you read Kaburwo's take on the expulsion of Ruto and Dualle then you will perhaps understand how much this move is smart. You must remember by August 2012 we go back to the ballots, so how prepared is ODM given that they have to contend daily with internal opposition. When will they prepare the party for campaigns? This can only happen if there is unity of purpose.
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Post by mzee on Mar 4, 2011 11:15:42 GMT 3
Phil, I agree that these MP´s have overstayed their welcome. There is also no guarantee that they would all have the guts to resign or be re-elected incase thet did so. I also understand Migunas assertion that one can not be elected having not been a member of a political party for at least 3 months, which simple means that the current expelled MPs might not even be eligible to for re-election. Are the three months rule Kaburwo alluded to cast in stone? If so the guys are dead. Given that 2012 elections are due in 1 1/2 years time, how would this impact on the former RVP political landscape.
Phil, ODM supporters might support the move but what are the people of RV saying? They are the ones who are supposed to elect Ruto plust those who might resign in solidarity. You have ears to the ground, what do the FMs stations say?
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Post by kamalet on Mar 4, 2011 11:34:18 GMT 3
Jukwaa, Siasa aside, is this move to expel Ruto and co wise? I know that they have done all manner of things (criticizing Raila is NOT one of them) to deserve exclusion from the party. But from a larger perspective what would happen if half of the Kalenjin MP´s call ODM´s bluff, pull out of the party seek re-election and be elected on another party ticket? Would this mean the end of RAO´s premiership? What is ODM´s strategy in this? Have they perhaps calculated that they will take most of the seats in case of mass resignation by akian Ruto? This is going to be tricky. Dont you think? Mzee This expulsion is the best thing since sliced bread. Let me assure you, as a man on the ground, the majority of ODM supporters back this move. Majority of Kenyans agree that Ruto and allies have exceeded their luck. You only need to listen to FM radio station call-in programs to get to know the pulse of the nation. Look at comments by readers in all mainstream media and you will know what I mean. Of course these people have made RAO their pet subject. That is not in doubt. The loss of the premiership is a little more tricky that most pundits would want to admit. This NARA is the trickiest piece of legislation I have seen in recent times. Besides, what guarantee is there that all of Ruto's allies will be re-elected if they resign en-mass? You need to go and talk to villagers on the ground and understand their feelings. It will also tell why a censure motion has been on the cards fro three years now but there is no one to introduce it. If you read Kaburwo's take on the expulsion of Ruto and Dualle then you will perhaps understand how much this move is smart. You must remember by August 2012 we go back to the ballots, so how prepared is ODM given that they have to contend daily with internal opposition. When will they prepare the party for campaigns? This can only happen if there is unity of purpose. Phil Best thing......but at what cost to the party?
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Post by mzee on Mar 4, 2011 13:07:41 GMT 3
Mzee This expulsion is the best thing since sliced bread. Let me assure you, as a man on the ground, the majority of ODM supporters back this move. Majority of Kenyans agree that Ruto and allies have exceeded their luck. You only need to listen to FM radio station call-in programs to get to know the pulse of the nation. Look at comments by readers in all mainstream media and you will know what I mean. Of course these people have made RAO their pet subject. That is not in doubt. The loss of the premiership is a little more tricky that most pundits would want to admit. This NARA is the trickiest piece of legislation I have seen in recent times. Besides, what guarantee is there that all of Ruto's allies will be re-elected if they resign en-mass? You need to go and talk to villagers on the ground and understand their feelings. It will also tell why a censure motion has been on the cards fro three years now but there is no one to introduce it. If you read Kaburwo's take on the expulsion of Ruto and Dualle then you will perhaps understand how much this move is smart. You must remember by August 2012 we go back to the ballots, so how prepared is ODM given that they have to contend daily with internal opposition. When will they prepare the party for campaigns? This can only happen if there is unity of purpose. Phil Best thing......but at what cost to the party? Kamale,T hats my question too. But might be ODM has a good strategy.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 4, 2011 19:57:11 GMT 3
Phil,. I also understand Migunas assertion that one can not be elected having not been a member of a political party for at least 3 months, which simple means that the current expelled MPs might not even be eligible to for re-election. Are the three months rule Kaburwo alluded to cast in stone? If so the guys are dead. Given that 2012 elections are due in 1 1/2 years time, how would this impact on the former RVP political landscape. This is the beauty of the KATIBA!! Timing is everything and I think now is the time for this expulsion process to begin. I trust Hon Miguna when he says the 3month party membership rule is necessary for one to be sponsored. I would not know what to do if I were kina ruto et al. Would I resign now and hope the speaker issue writs for elections in 3mo time? Would I resign now and allow a seat warmer to take the seat and then resign in 3mo triggering an election again? What would I do? I dont know... Now is the time to squeeze their balls, and eject them out of ODM!!
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Post by federa on Mar 4, 2011 23:01:17 GMT 3
I am beginning to get a bit irritated when this three month rule is mentioned. That one must have been a member of a political party for at least three months before they can contest an election on that party ticket. Come on, good people, all of us can read perfectly well. Where is this law? It is certainly not in the Political Parties Act. The only requirement here is that one gives a 14-day notice before they resign from a party. The 3 month rule that is much talked about was a proposal in the Political Parties Bill that was tabled by the then Minster for Justice and Constitution Affairs Martha Karua. This was of course rejected by the MPs, who replaced it with the 14-day notice rule before they passed the bill. So any analysis of the unfolding events that takes into account a supposed 3 month rule is misguided and off the mark.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 4, 2011 23:18:29 GMT 3
I am beginning to get a bit irritated when this three month rule is mentioned. That one must have been a member of a political party for at least three months before they can contest an election on that party ticket. Come on, good people, all of us can read perfectly well. Where is this law? It is certainly not in the Political Parties Act. The only requirement here is that one gives a 14-day notice before they resign from a party. The 3 month rule that is much talked about was a proposal in the Political Parties Bill that was tabled by the then Minster for Justice and Constitution Affairs Martha Karua. This was of course rejected by the MPs, who replaced it with the 14-day notice rule before they passed the bill. So any analysis of the unfolding events that takes into account a supposed 3 month rule is misguided and off the mark. federa,All these is useless talk unless the M.Ps actually have the guts to resign en mass as Ruto indicated. You can take it from me that none of that chest thumping is going anywhere. Talk is cheap. These people love their money. It is one thing to be screaming about Raila and ODM but when it comes to putting your political career on the line they are all chicken. Even if William Ruto were to resign most of those M.Ps eating his money will stay put. Nobody is being led to thh gallows with their eyes open. By elections today in the areas where the Ruto noise makers are M.Ps could lead to a whole lot of results with a guarantee that most of the noise making M.Ps will be thrown out. ODM will win a seat here and there, Kanu will win a seat here and there, PNU, UDM etc. In by elections voters actually vote for the individual as opposed to the party. So for me there is even no need for anyone to be barred on one techinicality or another. Just resign your seats and go for the polls. As for ODM with or without the Ruto squad they will remain the party with most M.Ps in bunge. The real issue here is that M.Ps know which side of their bread has butter. Ruto is not going to feed their families and keep their mistresses happy. Ni fitina too ya kawaida. The ones in trouble are the two facing expulsion. If that goes through let them hit the campaign trail. Someone like Isaac Ruto has been so busy making noise in Nairobi, I doubt he has done anything much on the ground. I think he is very beatable in Chepalungu. I truly hope he is thrown out and that this is not some empty threat.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 5, 2011 0:18:24 GMT 3
hehehehehe Exactly what I thought. Now they all love ODM and want to cling to it. Eti, we love ODM, we only hate Raila. What happened to all that talk about UDM? Bure Kabisa. And some idiot had the nerve to claim Sally Kosgei(of the kitmbaa for traffic jam fame) was kicked out of the HBC. Didn't she leave in a huff. They were all so brave and ready to ditch the party until when they have been actually asked to leave. Eti members have raised genuine concerns. The only concern we hear is that Raila is sending Ruto to the Hague. Is that really a genuine concern or just a heap of malicious lies. The cowards have realized ODM is ready to call their bluff on the mass walkout talk and the mtetemeko has set in. Useless. Here is the nonsense www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000030497&cid=4&ttl=ODM%20flouting%20own%20constitution,%20legislators%20allied%20to%20Ruto%20say
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 5, 2011 1:19:13 GMT 3
What annoys me is that the ruto spin doktas seem to be very agile and shifty in their arguments. They are very good in shifting the goal posts. And thus they seem to be one step ahead of the real ODMers when it comes to the media PR war. Its time for the ODM hierarchy to follow the laid down protocol and the go ahead and adduce the evidence backing up the reasons, and stating clearly why they need ruto and Co. to go.
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