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Post by phil on Jul 20, 2011 16:02:32 GMT 3
About time ODM! Why not just call an NDC to deal with this matter once and for all? Political problems are best resolved politically. ODM seeks to have rebel MPs lose seats
Eldoret North MP William Ruto (left) and Dujis MP Aden Duale at a past event. Photo/FILE By NATION REPORTER Posted Wednesday, July 20 2011 at 14:06
The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) has filed a case seeking to strip party membership and parliamentary seats of its rebellious members.
The case filed by Millers & Company Advocates wants Eldoret North MP Wiliam Ruto, Belgut MP Charles Keter, Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto, Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and Dujis MP Aden Duale be their stripped parliamentary seats and party membership.
"Both the Political Parties Act and the Constitution are firmly on ODM's side." ODM said in a statement. "We await keenly to see whether Ruto and company will be brave enough to resign from both their party and parliamentary seats so that they can test their much flaunted popularity vis-a-vis that of the PM and ODM".
In a telephone interview with Nation, the Prime Minister's advisor Miguna Miguna said the decision has been arrived at after the MPs failed to resign from the party after publicly stating to do so.
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Post by commes on Jul 20, 2011 16:09:01 GMT 3
About time ODM! Why not just call an NDC to deal with this matter once and for all? Political problems are best resolved politically. ODM seeks to have rebel MPs lose seats
Eldoret North MP William Ruto (left) and Dujis MP Aden Duale at a past event. Photo/FILE By NATION REPORTER Posted Wednesday, July 20 2011 at 14:06
The Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) has filed a case seeking to strip party membership and parliamentary seats of its rebellious members.
The case filed by Millers & Company Advocates wants Eldoret North MP Wiliam Ruto, Belgut MP Charles Keter, Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto, Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny and Dujis MP Aden Duale be their stripped parliamentary seats and party membership.
"Both the Political Parties Act and the Constitution are firmly on ODM's side." ODM said in a statement. "We await keenly to see whether Ruto and company will be brave enough to resign from both their party and parliamentary seats so that they can test their much flaunted popularity vis-a-vis that of the PM and ODM".
In a telephone interview with Nation, the Prime Minister's advisor Miguna Miguna said the decision has been arrived at after the MPs failed to resign from the party after publicly stating to do so. Me thinks that the plan is to block the most obvious avenue for Ruto and Co. They are experts at dashing to the Courts under a Certificate of Urgency. NDC can thus do the necessary.
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Post by kamalet on Jul 20, 2011 16:58:16 GMT 3
The D in ODM must surely stad for Dunderheads!!
How in all that is holy does the party think it can get far with this application without appearing to behave like Kanu? When you read the comments by Miguna, it sadly reminds one of the late Okiki Amayo he of the old Kanu disciplinary committee that ended many a political career!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 20, 2011 17:54:03 GMT 3
The truth is, ODM does not know how to deal with the increasingly confident Ruto and his team. And if they do, they are a bunch of cowards who want to use proxies to do the dirty work for them. This is yet another dead-on-arrival move.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 20, 2011 18:38:49 GMT 3
Phil wrote About time ODM! Why not just call an NDC to deal with this matter once and for all? Political problems are best resolved politically.
This what in nuanced Nyanza we put down to the brainless thuggery of Midiwo taking precedence over the legal tact of Orengo. Look at the ease with which ODM is left intellectually shambolic: The Independent Electoral Commission asked for the minutes of the meeting where the relevant party organ STATUTORILY made the decision to expel the errants. No answer from ODM. Why? given the legal firepower in that party?
So we have Chepalungu Ruto scoring wide in the open goal: ODM is short-circuiting the process......
Miguna's quip that they have failed to leave the party voluntarily and the registrar has failed to act, is as flimsy as to suggest he was not awake while talking to the Daily Nation. Actually it is two party members who are filing this case, not the party itself in official capacity! WHY? And why wouldn't the party file a case against the registrar for negligence of duty [failing to act in this crucial matter] instead of some two anonimous party members on a different legal plate?
That these guys have openly, sucessively and consistently violated the Political Parties act is obvious. Murkier and dirtier is why ODM is consitently incapable of following the due process to get rid of them.
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Post by mugabe on Jul 20, 2011 19:37:38 GMT 3
Kamalet
ODM stands for political intolerance and the Panua party stands for what? When Uhuru insists that Karua and Peter Kenneth must follow his leadership or else "does he remind you of the old KANU and Okiki Amayo? I am yet to hear you condemn the political intolerance among those who you support so vociferously so please stop with the drama. ODM are fully within their rights to expel people who openly support another party. There is a slight precedence you know. Jomo Kenyatta did in 1969 a move which I am sure to you regard as having been a brilliant move. That is your problem, when your own do you it is brilliant strategy when others do it is political intolerance. Typical predictable stuff from you.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 20, 2011 21:53:23 GMT 3
Kamalet ODM stands for political intolerance and the Panua party stands for what? When Uhuru insists that Karua and Peter Kenneth must follow his leadership or else "does he remind you of the old KANU and Okiki Amayo? I am yet to hear you condemn the political intolerance among those who you support so vociferously so please stop with the drama. ODM are fully within their rights to expel people who openly support another party. There is a slight precedence you know. Jomo Kenyatta did in 1969 a move which I am sure to you regard as having been a brilliant move. That is your problem, when your own do you it is brilliant strategy when others do it is political intolerance. Typical predictable stuff from you. mugabe, There is no intolerance just the usual noisemakers who now pretend to love Ruto to death. Why can't they invite Ruto to join the PNU and face election. Here is what the Act on Political Parties say: It was funny the other day Ruto was telling councilors that they should not say anything publicly about UDM because they risk losing their seats. Section 17(4) of the Political Parties Act, 2007 provides that a person who, while a member of a political party (a) forms another political party; (b) joins in the formation of another political party; (c) joins another political party; or (d) in any way or manner publicly advocates for the formation of another political party, shall be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party.Article 103(1)(e) of the Constitution provides that the office of a Member of Parliament becomes vacant… “If having been elected to Parliament as a member of a Political Party, the Member resigns from that party or is deemed to have resigned from the party as determined in accordance with the legislation contemplated in Clause (2).”
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Post by okolowaka on Jul 21, 2011 0:28:01 GMT 3
Now let the clowns go to court...and what will they swear under oath?
"I ......... ......... ....... (insert name of clown) do swear that I am a duly registered member of the ODM party blah, blah, blah, and here is my ODM membership card displaying my membership number, blah, blah, blah.... I was elected on an ODM ticket but now I have joined in the formation of UDM, I have now joined UDM, and have in many ways publicly advocated and campaigned for UDM.... oops sorry your honor I did not realize that I have thus resigned from ODM..."
The PPA, Section 17(4) cited above by Adongo describes exactly what these clowns have been doing in the last year or so while still members of ODM and thus violating the provisions of the subsection (b), subsection (c) and subsection (d)....
And the funny thing is that one of the clowns (Kutuny) says he will instruct his lawyer Ababu Namwamba "to do the necessary" .... Ababu Namwamba is ODM Parliamentary Group Secretary that has been calling for the expulsion of these clowns; ;D ;D ;D
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jul 21, 2011 1:42:17 GMT 3
Now let the clowns go to court...and what will they swear under oath? "I ......... ......... ....... (insert name of clown) do swear that I am a duly registered member of the ODM party blah, blah, blah, and here is my ODM membership card displaying my membership number, blah, blah, blah.... I was elected on an ODM ticket but now I have joined in the formation of UDM, I have now joined UDM, and have in many ways publicly advocated and campaigned for UDM.... oops sorry your honor I did not realize that I have thus resigned from ODM..." The PPA spells Section 17(4) cited above by Adongo describes exactly what these clowns have been doing in the last year or so while still members of ODM and thus violating the provisions of the subsection (b), subsection (c) and subsection (d).... And the funny thing is that one of the clowns claims he will ask for advice from his lawyer Ababu Namwamba.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 21, 2011 3:34:40 GMT 3
Here is what the Act on Political Parties say: It was funny the other day Ruto was telling councilors that they should not say anything publicly about UDM because they risk losing their seats.] The idiot ruto is a charlatan The way he is behaving speakes volumes of his character. He will be shunned by his peers, and discarded as a pariah. He thinks folks are stupid. What goes around comes around.
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Post by mzee on Jul 21, 2011 23:42:36 GMT 3
PM, I wonder how this would end if the MPs and all their allies in the RVP decide to quit ODM en masse? Would that mean that the party ceases to have a majority in parliament leading to its leader being removed from the position of PM.
Another issue Im thinking about is this; what if the two amigos suing ODM rebels are infact planed by PANU to destroy the party from inside?
Why must ODM use proxy to remove the rebels. Cant they just call an NDC and do the neccessary?
Lets wait and see.
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Post by einstein on Jul 22, 2011 0:13:45 GMT 3
PM, I wonder how this would end if the MPs and all their allies in the RVP decide to quit ODM en masse? Would that mean that the party ceases to have a majority in parliament leading to its leader being removed from the position of PM. Another issue Im thinking about is this; what if the two amigos suing ODM rebels are infact planed by PANU to destroy the party from inside? Why must ODM use proxy to remove the rebels. Cant they just call an NDC and do the neccessary? Lets wait and see. Ruto allies plot to depose Raila in ODM fights Rebel Orange Democratic Movement MPs allied to suspended minister William Ruto have met to craft a response to the move by their rivals in the party to expel five of their colleagues. Two options were said to have been on the table during a meeting attended by up to 32 MPs. The most radical one, it is said, was to quit the party en mass to strip it of its majority in Parliament and leave party boss Raila Odinga exposed to challenge over his position as Prime Minister. The National Accord reserves the post for the leader of the majority party in Parliament. The other option is to fight the case. No agreement was reached and further meetings will be called to debate the matter. On Wednesday, two party members allied to Prime Minister Raila Odinga went to court seeking a ruling to expel Mr (William) Ruto, Mr Aden Duale, Mr Charles Keter, Mr Isaac Ruto and Mr Joshua Kutuny. (See story) The party’s parliamentary group and National Executive Council met and resolved to support the case filed by Mr Mpuri Aburi and Mr Kepher Odongo at the High Court. Chief Whip Jakoyo Midiwo said the top party organs resolved that the case was “good” and they will support it. ‘‘We have to clean up our party. We don’t think it is bad for aggrieved members to go to court,” Mr Midiwo said. Mr Aburi and Mr Odongo, through lawyer Cecil Miller, argue that the respondents are in Parliament in contravention of Article 103 of the Constitution and Section 17(4) of the Political Parties Act. They argue that Mr Ruto and the four others have, through public declarations and activities, indicated that they have joined United Democratic Movement. The hearing of a petition will start next Thursday The Eldoret MP’s team met for two hours at the Parliament Gardens where they discussed the option of resigning from the party en mass and the other of facing the litigants in court. “We do not see why we should fight to remain in a party that has outlived its ideals and turned into dictatorship,” said Mr Kutuny, the Cherangany MP. Mr Kutuny said the MPs in attendance agreed that should the Orange party support the expulsion case, they would be reluctant to fight it. We are ready“We and ODM are now estranged, and we have reached a point where we are ready for anything ... we will quit the party and seek re-election on UDM, we are not going to be cowed at all,” said Mr Kutuny. In the meeting that was attended by MPs from Rift Valley, Coast and North Eastern, Mr Ruto is said to have assured them that he would support them to ensure they recapture their seats should they quit. “Since you have suggested that quitting the party is an option, all I can assure you is that I will give you my support to ensure that none of you loses your seat. I have a lot of energy to dispense should we be forced to go into by-elections,” Mr Ruto is said to have told the MPs. The Constitution says that a Parliamentary seat falls vacant if a member “resigns from their party or is deemed to have resigned from the party”. During the meeting, 15 Kalenjin MPs and Mr Duale said they were ready for by-elections anytime. “The ODM is targeting only five MPs, why not target all of us, we are one and when we move out, the party will collapse .... it should forget the PM position,” said Ms Peris Simam of Eldoret South. On the option of battling it out in court, the meeting agreed that they would seek competent lawyers to ensure they win the case. Mr Kutuny said he had instructed Mr Ababu Namwamba, who is also the party’s Parliamentary Group secretary, to defend him in court as they fine tune their strategies. “We will meet them in court, if they have a strong case and we lose then we will go to the ballot, whichever way for us is a win-win situation,” Mr Kutuny said. Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto said he would not defend himself in court preferring let things take their own course. “My enthusiasm in the party waned long ago, I would not mind if they kick me out, I we have agreed with my constituents that I could still seek re-election on a UDM ticket,” he said. The meeting urged the Eldoret North MP to strengthen UDM. A series of meetings have been scheduled in the Rift Valley starting Friday. At the Orange House, Mr Odinga led the party to support the move to kick out the rebels. However, in a rare case, the party officials did not address journalists after their closed door meeting. Reached on phone, Mr Midiwo said the chest thumbing by the rebels is as a result of indiscipline and impunity. “They should either be with us or not with us,” Mr Midiwo said. He said the Ruto allies have been skipping party meetings despite being invited and they “can’t be left to be in two parties.” He said although ODM and PNU were in a coalition “as ODM MPs we don’t go expressing the views of PNU.” He said even though UDM and Narc were ODM partners “it is wrong morally and against the Political Parties Act for ODM members to articulate their issues.” However, Roads minister Franklin Bett warned that Mr Odinga could lose popularity in the Rift Valley for taking the MPs in court. Speaking to a vernacular radio station, Mr Bett said the move had put Rift Valley MPs allied to the PM in an awkward position. “The move exposes us to an embarrassing situation at a time people had begun to change their perception about the party and Mr Odinga,’’ he said. “The timing is wrong because the party now needs to puts itself in order ahead of 2012 elections which is just at the corner,” he said. But he accused the rebel MPs of seeking to destroy ODM before shifting to UDM. —Reports by Jacob Ng’etich, Lucas Barasa and Otieno Owidawww.nation.co.ke/News/Ruto+allies+plot++to+depose+Raila+in+ODM+fights+/-/1056/1205662/-/lai6rgz/-/index.html
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Post by akinyi2005 on Jul 22, 2011 0:17:35 GMT 3
In the meantime, Ruto barred from holding UDM pollsEldoret North MP William Ruto and his allies have suffered another setback following the High Court's decision to slap more interim orders on them. Justice Daniel Musinga Thursday stopped Mr Ruto and 27 MPs from holding United Democratic Movement (UDM) party elections in August, pending inter partes hearing of an application filed by ousted party chairman Lt-Col (rtd) John Koech.The judge issued the interim orders after extending the one stopping the Registrar of Political Parties from interfering with the party’s official’s register. In another court, Lady Justice Jeanne Gacheche certified urgent a case seeking to dislodge Ruto and four other MPs from Parliament.The judge ordered that all parties in the matter be served with the suit papers and the matter seeking to have Ruto, Isaac Ruto (Chepalungu), Charles Keter (Belgut), Joshua Kutuny (Cherangany), and Aden Duale (Dujis) declared non-ODM members heard on July 28. This was after the petitioners’ advocate Mr Cecil Miller, informed the court that the case raises weighty constitutional issues. Defended He said there is need for the court to determine the case before the current Parliament’s term comes to an end. The petitioners are ODM members Mr Mpuru Mburi and Mr Kepher Odongo who claim Ruto and the other four have contravened Article 103 of the new Constitution as read with Section 17(4) of the Political Parties Act. Yesterday, Mr Koech’s advocate, Mr Dan Anzala, told court that Ruto and his team are planning to hold UDM party elections in August. The matter will be heard interpartes on October 6th. "The court is not able to hear the matter this term. This is because vacation is to start on August 1. The application will be heard in the next term," he said.UDM Secretary General Tito Busienei Koiyet defended Ruto, saying the prayers sought by Koech amount to asking the court to take over management of the party from elected officials. In an affidavit filed at the High Court registry, Mr Koiyet claimed that if orders sought by Koech are granted, then UDM might be wound up.He stated that the orders include stopping recruitment of new members, holding elections and meetings, passing party resolutions and filing returns at the Registrar of Political Parties. Koiyet said UDM has the right to engage Ruto and sell to him values of the party. "In the circumstances, 27 respondents are unable to see fault in their attempt to recruit Ruto to target campaigns at him and persuade him to join the party all with the perimeters allowed in law," he stated. www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000039413&cid=159&story=Ruto barred from holding UDM polls
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 22, 2011 2:20:02 GMT 3
akinyi and others,
I like the Ruto panic. It is funny Ruto herded his mob into a hasty meeting and true to his emotionally charged tantrum politics tried to persuade them to resign en mass and he would make sure that they are re-elected. Hehehehehehehe. Ruto thinks those M.Ps are suicidal. They may be willing to speak rubbish on his behalf but there is no way they will quit their seats for Ruto. Most of those M.Ps know they cannot and will not get re-elected. Let Ruto call the resignation parade for his mob. He will be lucky to get two willing M.Ps.
How amusing is it that here we have a bunch of M.Ps who have been going all across the country promoting their UDM party and now all of a sudden they are willing to swear on their ancestors graves that they are full members of ODM and deserve to be ODM M.Ps.
Let them go and they will be shocked to see Raila finish his term as the PM in 2012. There is nothing they can do about that.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 22, 2011 2:28:13 GMT 3
akinyi and others,I like the Ruto panic. It is funny Ruto herded his mob into a hasty meeting and true to his emotionally charged tantrum politics tried to persuade them to resign en mass and he would make sure that they are re-elected.. AO I have just talked about emotion based politics in the thread you posted on the Ngunjiri article on the visit to Central By the Rt Hon Prime Minister.!!!!
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Post by tactician on Jul 22, 2011 13:46:04 GMT 3
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Post by enigma on Jul 22, 2011 14:24:02 GMT 3
Look at how Raila is arming Ruto
Updated 16 hr(s) 41 min(s) ago Kipkoech Tanui There is a strong smell searing the nose from a political court case someone in Orange Movement has filed against Mr William Ruto and four of his buddies. Instead of alluring fresh air and white smoke from Orange House, we now have repulsive wisps of political intolerance, reprisal and punishment, which we were told were Kanu’s monopoly. That is why I have left out ODM’s middle name. It is strange because ODM, today has enough problems with the top to open new battlefronts with ordinary members such as the nominated councillors it tried to throw into the streets. You see, by surrendering a political war to lawyers and judges, ODM or Raila, or whoever has given him the long rope to hang, Tinga has handed chests of ammunition to Ruto and his foot soldiers. Not that the Eldoret MP needs anyone’s protection or advice. He has proved time and again it is from himself that he needs protection. That, so long as his ears pick up wild cheers from his ‘supporters’ at rallies, and when his eyes see nothing but State House opening its doors for him as they shut behind President Kibaki’s back, he strides determinedly into the animal park convinced every raven, serpent and wolf is his friend because they need him more than he needs them. Ruto’s strategy against Raila in Rift Valley was to make him unpalatable to Kalenjin voters. That is why they were drilled Raila led Mau Forest evictions as vendetta against them; Tinga sat with Luis Ocampo and drew up list of six and ensured three Nandis were on it; Arap Mibei incited arrests of Kalenjin youths linked to clashes fought under No Raila, No peace banner; Agwambo worships the goddess of asante ya punda ni mateke and that is why he made sure Ruto faced court cases; Arap Odinga fears Ruto that is why he ensured he is out of Cabinet; and this former detainee is shetani (evil), a claim met with uproar of Ashindwe! at Ruto’s rallies. Now despite all these claims, which scare many Kalenjin politicians into silence, fence-sitting or Ruto’s corner, some Kalenjins were stuck in ODM-UDM (or is it G7 or Uhuru Inc. junction). You would hear them calling Kass FM asking to be told what exactly Arap Nyancha (Son of the Lake) did to make the Kibaki-Uhuru axis seem white as snow. Political fixers
They also advised in situations like this, where Tinga despite shrinking popularity in opinion polls still leads, and given an ICC machete is still on Uhuru and Ruto necks, it is wise not to openly antagonise and insult him. They counselled, yes plot your own path to State House but do not personalise the war with him because he may just make it to State House and you do not want Kalenjins to take the place on the backbench furnace members that the Luo community occupied under Kenyatta and early years of Moi. It was during this period of ostracism of Luo infamous Kanu Briefs insultingly wrote Jaramogi, Raila’s father, led a group of Luo politicians whose favourite programme on VoK Radio, “appears to be Matangazo ya Vifo (Death announcements) from which they locate funerals in Luo Nyanza and go to preach their politics of backwardness and rebellion”. These moderate voices among Kalenjins also advised that the community should support Ruto yes, but those uncomfortable with him should be let free because that is their democratic right and it is also not wise to put all your eggs in one basket. They also advised that it might be irrational to expect to win State House race solely on an anti-Raila platform. They also drew attention to central Kenya, which they rightly argued is more suspicious of Raila than the Kalenjin, but which appears more restrained in language and vitriol against him. In short, they said run away from Raila if you want, but do not burn your bridges even if you must. It is this group that kept asking what exactly did Raila do to Ruto, should this be seen as condemnation of a whole community, and where is the line between truth and lies on what Ruto and Raila say. So when Raila, or his political fixers decided to try and get Ruto and the three Rift MPs out of Parliament through court, and over 30 councillors into joblessness through expulsion, it gave Ruto ammunition he was running out of, replenished the well of ethnic sympathy that was drying up, and cast Raila as vengeful, intolerant, and insensitive. In short, Raila has either given up on Kalenjins or chosen to bare concealed fangs and at same time dance to the song of hardliners around him, who hope to either cling to his coat-tails for parliamentary, gubernatorial and senatorial seats, or outshine others in predatory rather than protective formation over him. nyanza activist
The complication however is that by going for Ruto, who is busy devaluing his election vehicle with cheap spare-parts from hte likes of Eugene, Mithika and Mwakwere, Raila is also hurting his national image as democrat once detained for fighting repression. The fact Ruto and his group have not left ODM despite all the noise should be an indictment on their part, not Raila. It may help Railalets to understand Kalenjins are historically proud people and when a man is down and you take advantage of his prostration, you are deemed a coward and invite hate. That is what Raila is doing and it does not matter what Chapters of Constitution his hardliners quote to justify expulsion and court cases. The fact is Raila will be a presidential candidate and they will not. And we have not even spoken about how Raila, much like Kibaki did with ECK, picked Rosa Buyu, a Nyanza ODM activist to the selection panel to give us next year’s election managers. The writer is Managing Editor, Daily Editions, at The Standard. ktanui@standardmedia.co.ke
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Post by phil on Jul 22, 2011 14:43:16 GMT 3
tactician,Wachana na hizi simu za ku redeem bonga points. Ni kabambe ama ni gani hiyo? ;D Anyway, thanks Enigma. Raila is not arming Ruto in anyway. It is a false belief. It is a stretch of imagination. One - Kalenjin did not vote for Kibaki in 2002 but he still became president by a majority vote.
Two - Kalenjin did not vote for new constitution yet Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for the new constitution.That tells me that Kalenjins do not always - actually have never - determined who always carry the day. Kipkoech Tanui and his ilk should know that life does not begin and end with Kalenjin. ODM is a national party and if there some people who want to be elected to parliament and then shortly after that act in the interest of competing parties, then ODM is not the party for them. Political parties are governed by law and do not exist through the whims of tribes and their chiefs. In any case, my view is that ODM would rather miss out the presidency in 2012 and fail to form the next government if that means standing against impunity. Lack of respect for rule of law is precisely what has driven the country downwards for 50 years now. We all know that. ODM must take the right direction even if it means losing power to G-7 in 2012. It is an unlikely scenario but, I will be happier being a member of a united ODM in opposition for the 11th parliament than being in a government . In delivering the new constition, 4 year old ODM has done a million times more than what KANU was unable to do for more than 40 years. Being in government does not always means enjoying anything special. Ask some GEMA folk and they will tell you that. Ask the IDPs living in camps across Rift Valley and they will tell you that. 2012 is not the last general elections. Even some people close to Kibaki never imagined that it would come this fast and now their man has to vacate state house.
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Post by mzalendo on Jul 22, 2011 15:43:09 GMT 3
Well said phil, Some things are just unbelievable. cant believe Kiptanui is actually believing that Ruto has got a clout within the kalenjin to help anybody win the presidency.
Please help him get this straight into his head, Ruto is not going to convince, leave alone win any votes based on the raw hatred he has been spewing against Raila. he better sit back and start working on a national agenda.
What a backward mentality coming from a whole editor of standard.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 22, 2011 17:06:59 GMT 3
[quote author=phil board=general thread=5063 post=73442 time=1311334996
One - Kalenjin did not vote for Kibaki in 2002 but he still became president by a majority vote.
Two - Kalenjin did not vote for new constitution yet Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for the new constitution.
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Also in 2002 the Kalenjins voted for muthamaki in large numbers after being conned by kipkorios, and muthamaki lost.
This coming elections will be decided less on tribal math and more on personality and who best represents regional agendas and past political tract record.
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Post by federa on Jul 22, 2011 20:09:16 GMT 3
Kipkoech Tanui writes, It may help Railalets to understand Kalenjins are historically proud people and when a man is down and you take advantage of his prostration, you are deemed a coward and invite hate.
Well, from the way Ruto has been behaving, daring Raila to a contest and telling everyone who cares to listen how ODM is finished and UDM is the party of the moment, you wouldn't have guessed that he is a man who is down like Kipkoech Tanui states. A very interesting take on Ruto's situation. A man who is down.
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Post by kamalet on Jul 22, 2011 20:13:41 GMT 3
One - Kalenjin did not vote for Kibaki in 2002 but he still became president by a majority vote.
confirmation of the fact or a slip..... ;D
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Post by tnk on Jul 22, 2011 20:36:51 GMT 3
well its interesting that ruto and allies claim ODM leadership of which they ruto and duale are part of is intolerant
as i understand it, intolerance is two way traffic. doesn't this also show that ruto and duale are dictators too and are intolerant of those who do not agree with whatever plans and strategies that they themselves believe in?
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 22, 2011 20:37:35 GMT 3
One - Kalenjin did not vote for Kibaki in 2002 but he still became president by a majority vote.
confirmation of the fact or a slip..... ;D Kamale, 2002 and 2007 are two different years in the world most of us live. They are actually five years apart. Slip indeed! hehehehehehe.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 22, 2011 21:29:32 GMT 3
I find it quite revealing that the widely publicised attempt by the Ruto group of allied MPs to topple the prime minister [by mass resignation] has not caused any jitteriness amongst the public. I have just arrived in Nrb 22/07 21:00, and the road was normal. Last time there was tension about the so called vote of no confidence rumour, folks went into a voluntary curfew on the roads! Is it possible it has downed on the wananchi that a large section of their parliamentarians are basically irrelevant to the future? That time has passed them by?
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