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Post by federa on Jul 23, 2011 1:40:35 GMT 3
This group of MPs are slowly but surely slipping out of relevance. People are paying less and less attention to their antics. That is why their threat of mass resignation has failed to capture the publics imagination. Many people do not believe they can carry out this action and don't care even if they do.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 23, 2011 2:35:48 GMT 3
federa and jakswanga have a point.
The blatantly cynical selfish moves by ruto et al are just so idiotic and naive, no one believes that they will do so. They themselves dont believe that sh!t they keep on reiterating now and then. Even the RV masses dont believe it, they can see through the crass BS.
What needs to happen is this. The courts must make a decision one way or the other. Then we take it from there.
If the courts decide that they can piss in the tent so be it. ODMers will have to live with the stench.
otherwise they have to go back to the drawing board and get elected as UDM MPs
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Post by einstein on Jul 23, 2011 4:28:44 GMT 3
Look at how Raila is arming Ruto
Updated 16 hr(s) 41 min(s) ago Kipkoech Tanui There is a strong smell searing the nose from a political court case someone in Orange Movement has filed against Mr William Ruto and four of his buddies. Instead of alluring fresh air and white smoke from Orange House, we now have repulsive wisps of political intolerance, reprisal and punishment, which we were told were Kanu’s monopoly. That is why I have left out ODM’s middle name. It is strange because ODM, today has enough problems with the top to open new battlefronts with ordinary members such as the nominated councillors it tried to throw into the streets. You see, by surrendering a political war to lawyers and judges, ODM or Raila, or whoever has given him the long rope to hang, Tinga has handed chests of ammunition to Ruto and his foot soldiers. Not that the Eldoret MP needs anyone’s protection or advice. He has proved time and again it is from himself that he needs protection. That, so long as his ears pick up wild cheers from his ‘supporters’ at rallies, and when his eyes see nothing but State House opening its doors for him as they shut behind President Kibaki’s back, he strides determinedly into the animal park convinced every raven, serpent and wolf is his friend because they need him more than he needs them. Ruto’s strategy against Raila in Rift Valley was to make him unpalatable to Kalenjin voters. That is why they were drilled Raila led Mau Forest evictions as vendetta against them; Tinga sat with Luis Ocampo and drew up list of six and ensured three Nandis were on it; Arap Mibei incited arrests of Kalenjin youths linked to clashes fought under No Raila, No peace banner; Agwambo worships the goddess of asante ya punda ni mateke and that is why he made sure Ruto faced court cases; Arap Odinga fears Ruto that is why he ensured he is out of Cabinet; and this former detainee is shetani (evil), a claim met with uproar of Ashindwe! at Ruto’s rallies. Now despite all these claims, which scare many Kalenjin politicians into silence, fence-sitting or Ruto’s corner, some Kalenjins were stuck in ODM-UDM (or is it G7 or Uhuru Inc. junction). You would hear them calling Kass FM asking to be told what exactly Arap Nyancha (Son of the Lake) did to make the Kibaki-Uhuru axis seem white as snow. Political fixers
They also advised in situations like this, where Tinga despite shrinking popularity in opinion polls still leads, and given an ICC machete is still on Uhuru and Ruto necks, it is wise not to openly antagonise and insult him. They counselled, yes plot your own path to State House but do not personalise the war with him because he may just make it to State House and you do not want Kalenjins to take the place on the backbench furnace members that the Luo community occupied under Kenyatta and early years of Moi. It was during this period of ostracism of Luo infamous Kanu Briefs insultingly wrote Jaramogi, Raila’s father, led a group of Luo politicians whose favourite programme on VoK Radio, “appears to be Matangazo ya Vifo (Death announcements) from which they locate funerals in Luo Nyanza and go to preach their politics of backwardness and rebellion”. These moderate voices among Kalenjins also advised that the community should support Ruto yes, but those uncomfortable with him should be let free because that is their democratic right and it is also not wise to put all your eggs in one basket. They also advised that it might be irrational to expect to win State House race solely on an anti-Raila platform. They also drew attention to central Kenya, which they rightly argued is more suspicious of Raila than the Kalenjin, but which appears more restrained in language and vitriol against him. In short, they said run away from Raila if you want, but do not burn your bridges even if you must. It is this group that kept asking what exactly did Raila do to Ruto, should this be seen as condemnation of a whole community, and where is the line between truth and lies on what Ruto and Raila say. So when Raila, or his political fixers decided to try and get Ruto and the three Rift MPs out of Parliament through court, and over 30 councillors into joblessness through expulsion, it gave Ruto ammunition he was running out of, replenished the well of ethnic sympathy that was drying up, and cast Raila as vengeful, intolerant, and insensitive. In short, Raila has either given up on Kalenjins or chosen to bare concealed fangs and at same time dance to the song of hardliners around him, who hope to either cling to his coat-tails for parliamentary, gubernatorial and senatorial seats, or outshine others in predatory rather than protective formation over him. nyanza activist
The complication however is that by going for Ruto, who is busy devaluing his election vehicle with cheap spare-parts from hte likes of Eugene, Mithika and Mwakwere, Raila is also hurting his national image as democrat once detained for fighting repression. The fact Ruto and his group have not left ODM despite all the noise should be an indictment on their part, not Raila. It may help Railalets to understand Kalenjins are historically proud people and when a man is down and you take advantage of his prostration, you are deemed a coward and invite hate. That is what Raila is doing and it does not matter what Chapters of Constitution his hardliners quote to justify expulsion and court cases. The fact is Raila will be a presidential candidate and they will not. And we have not even spoken about how Raila, much like Kibaki did with ECK, picked Rosa Buyu, a Nyanza ODM activist to the selection panel to give us next year’s election managers. The writer is Managing Editor, Daily Editions, at The Standard. ktanui@standardmedia.co.ke Can somebody please help me! Which tribe on God's good earth is not PROUD? Or put differently, which tribe on this earth is a born COWARD!? What is Kipkoech Tanui actually talking about? I have always respected this fellow, but this?
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Post by man on Jul 23, 2011 7:37:36 GMT 3
Before lamenting how intolerant Raila/ODM is, how come this Kiptanui fellow conveniently forgot to mention the fact that Ruto and hisl allies have been going around the country on a daily basis saying how dead ODM is and how they had "chanukad" zamani and left that party. REPEAT: We Left that party (ODM) a long time ago. When the party is seeking that the law be enforced (Political Parties Act), why would anybody in their right minds even spend a minute listening to Ruto and his allies complaining about being expelled from a party which, by their own confession, they alread left a long time ago??? These people must really think that Kenyans are stupid, or worst still, Kenyans might actually just be stupid.
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Post by b6k on Jul 23, 2011 8:49:08 GMT 3
Einstein & Man, certain coded messages (eg proud & coward) may only push the right buttons in former RVP. That said, Ruto having wedged himself into a corner should be prepared to face a backlash from the hand that made him which he bit in '07 to throw in his lot with ODM. He cannot afford to have wars on too many fronts but that is precisely the position he finds himself in today. The chap is as desperate as a wounded & cornered animal.
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Post by mugabe on Jul 23, 2011 20:07:06 GMT 3
The article by Kiptanui is only the latest example of the belief by a section of the RV elite that the law does not matter when it comes to them. Remember the refusal to leave Mau, later the insistence on compensation etc. That is why he can write
"That is what Raila is doing and it does not matter what Chapters of Constitution his hardliners quote to justify expulsion and court cases. The fact is Raila will be a presidential candidate and they will not."
Ridiculous nonsense. The law is truly an ass.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 24, 2011 17:42:16 GMT 3
For ODM, wallowing in deceit has become their trademark. Raila Odinga's dilemmaCourt action against the Orange Democratic Party rebel wing of Eldoret North MP William Ruto presents Prime Minister Raila Odinga a dilemma in his quest to succeed President Kibaki. Raila faces two choices whose consequences could be equally disastrous: Force his rivals to mini-elections and risk humiliation or ignore them and they would continue wrecking his political vehicle to State House from within.[/u] Talks during ODM Parliamentary Group meeting last Thursday, pointed to the fact Raila is walking a tight rope. This is attested to by the all-important question that the party leader asked the 45 MPs present: "Is the party prepared for mass by-elections?"[/u] Raila’s apprehension is discernible given that except for Dujis, the other constituencies are viewed as Ruto’s support base. This raises the possibility of either incumbents retaining their seats, or some losing to newcomers allied to Ruto. After coming too close to the presidency in 2007, Raila is cautious not to make mistakes that could complicate his third attempt for high office at a time opinion polls rate him the most preferred presidential aspirant. Yet forestalling a showdown with his rivals is not entirely Raila’s call because the fate now lies with court or Ruto may as well call his estranged party’s bluff.
"They can go to court, go up and down, left or right but we have rejected ODM and everything to do with it," Ruto said on Friday, in Baringo. He said if they were re-elected on another ticket, Raila’s claim to the premier’s post would be threatened. ODM has scheduled another PG meeting for Wednesday, to assess the case filed by two party members. The case has added fuel to the party’s incessant internal feuding, with the renegade Rift Valley brigade allied to Ruto, one of Raila’s deputy party leaders. Political analyst Mutahi Ngunyi dismisses ODM’s latest attempt to expel Ruto and allies as "showbiz and catwalk" by ODM party hawks eager to show Raila their loyalty. "Raila is not interested in by-elections. His main interest is the presidency and even if it meant sacrificing the party to achieve that he would do so. He knows the sideshows around the party are unhelpful to his overall mission," Ngunyi observes.
He adds: "It would be foolhardy to wield the cane at this late hour. ODM should have cracked the whip a year or two ago. To do so now is a waste of time. Ruto is ready to take a walk because he has nothing to lose except his ODM chain."
Ngunyi argues Ruto left ODM in "soul and spirit" a long time ago, terming the belated effort to kick him out as being of "absolutely no value" except nuisance. [/u] When contacted, the Ruto camp kept up its hard line position daring ODM to press with the case, declaring they would not even fight it and taunting rivals for a showdown at the ballot. MPs Charles Keter, Isaac Ruto, Joshua Kutuny, David Koech, Sammy Mwaita, Luka Kigen, Jackson Kiptanui, and Fred Kapondi told The Standard on Sunday that their rivals wanted to run rings around them to slow their march. Mosop MP David Koech, who is the Rift Valley Parliamentary Group secretary, however, emphasised a statement the group has adopted as a defensive strategy to stick to ODM even as they plot to collapse it. "UDM and ODM are corporate partners, that is clearly spelt out. The attempts to kick us out of ODM over claims we are rebels is a struggle in futility," he said. Mogotio MP Hellen Sambili was elected on an UDM ticket, but Raila appointed her to his ODM-wing of the coalition Cabinet. Coalition advisor in Raila’s office, Miguna Miguna, has said the action was taken after the MPs failed to "voluntarily leave the party" and after the Registrar of Political Parties failed to take action against them. The case filed at the Nairobi High Court seeks to eject Ruto, Duale, Keter, Isaac Ruto and Kutuny from the party. At Orange House, according to an MP in attendance, Raila said the party leadership had not engineered the case, adding that the petitioners, Mpuru Aburi and Kepher Odongo, acted as party members. Quite apart from the dilemma on whether to push Ruto and his team out, Raila has to contend with ODM hardliners and moderates. Moderate MPs reportedly argued the case could portray the party, as dictatorial and urged for its withdrawal lest it creates "political martyrs". However, hawkish members said it’s time the stick was wielded against dissenters. They said a retreat could portray the party as timid. Lands Minister James Orengo and Kisumu Town West MP Olago-Aluoch reportedly stressed withdrawing the case could boomerang and be misconstrued that the party "fears these guys". Orengo cautioned if the party has to back down then it should buy time so it’s not left with egg on the face. He suggested if the rebels don’t denounce ODM in the responding affidavit it could go easy on them. Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi reportedly told members the de-nomination of councillors disloyal to ODM would go on. Ruto held talks with about 20 MPs at Parliament Buildings last week to explore their options. One option they are considering is a mass walkout from ODM. This is designed to precipitate a crisis of Raila’s legitimacy as PM. Ngunyi says the PM’s wars with Ruto could prove costly to his run for State House because his erstwhile ally may outfox him.
"Raila is very good at fighting a force bigger than him. But when faced with a smaller opponent he tends to get clumsy," Ngunyi says. Isaac Ruto termed the case a scheme by desperate leaders in ODM to frustrate their political activities. "They want to ensure they keep us busy with court cases in the hope we would not have time to get in touch with the grassroots. Such schemes would fail." Kutuny likened the latest bid to eject them to attempting to burn a house with hot water.
He added: "Nothing will stop us from moving forward with our agenda. We have clearly stated where we want to go, and no one will stop us. Not even court cases."Koech charged: "Initially, we thought the people who went to court did so on their own, but it is now clear ODM top leadership is behind them." Keiyo South’s Kiptanui quipped ODM is giving them political mileage with court cases. "Even when we do not want publicity, they ensure we are in the headlines." Mwaita of Baringo Central said: "They have realised that Ruto’s political star has been rising months to the next General Election while Raila has lost grip in the Rift Valley." At the PG Roads Minister Franklin Bett and Assistant Minister Magerer Langat reportedly appealed for restrain, saying the party still enjoys support in the Rift Valley. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000039506&cid=4============== Talk of the hunter turning the hunted, and/or being caught between a rock and the blue sea. Raila is not used to such headaches in his political career. He has always been the one engineering lewdness in political parties with devastating results to the parties (read FORD, FORD-K, NDP, KANU, NARC & ODM-K). Now that he is faced with a similar situation in his own party, he just does not seem to know what to do. The more he tries to deal with it, the more the problem grows. The big question here is, did Raila underestimate Ruto and his RV army?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 24, 2011 18:40:05 GMT 3
Nothing new in the EAS article.
There is a reason why he is an 'enigma'. He always conjures up a way to cut through what might look like a Houdini proof chain link.
Folks like the sacked (by PNU no less!) ngunyi have never won a single election, nor managed any for that matter. His opinion matters only to him. he is one of those fellows whose juvenile articles are just oh so, so, boring and mundane, mpaka even the DN, a PNU rag told him off. Eti he is giving grades to hthe keguoya regime week by week. Boy did that get so old!!
ngunyi's repeated dire predictions about the demise of ODM is now a legendary false wolf is coming to town tale.
If the articles intention was to stop the anti ruto sentiments or change the Ocampo calculus then it has failed.
In one and a half months time Ocampo will be with us and watch for the courts to have made a decision one way or another.
I look forward to the Councillors loosing their ODM sponsorships so they can move to UDM and they will be followed by the MPs.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 25, 2011 17:20:20 GMT 3
Meanwhile Ruto calls Raila's bluff: Ruto converts Raila ODM offices into UDM branchEldoret North MP William Ruto yesterday converted a former ODM office into a new UDM headquarters in Rongai Constituency during a three-day tour of the central Rift Valley. He maintained his offensive against Prime Minister Raila Odinga and implored the residents to join him in UDM. He was accompanied by various MPs from Rift valley and other UDM leaders. The new UDM constituency office is in Kampi ya Moto area of Rongai Constituency. Ruto termed a move by ODM to expel him and four other MPs from the party as “the last kicks of a dying horse” noting that Rift Valley MPs had already declared that they were done with the party. He was accompanied by more than 10 MPs who castigated ODM leadership saying its latest attempt to eject him and others from the party was dictatorship and intolerance. “There are more than 50 political parties in Kenya. Why would anyone think that expulsion from one party is a tragedy?” he told a rally at Poror High School in Eldama Ravine. The suspended minister lashed out at Prime Minister Raila Odinga saying that MPs allied to him no longer needed ODM to survive politically. “I am done with ODM and I am telling them goodbye, their efforts to chase us away are of no consequence at all,” he told crowds at a rally in Kabartonjo town. Ruto termed ODM as a party falling short of democratic traditions and instead focused on idolatry. He challenged the Prime Minister to focus on resolving the current famine situation in the country instead of focusing on party intrigues and political games. “As a former Agriculture minister, I know from experience that Kenya has the capability to solve its food problems. Let’s focus on that instead of political machinations,” he said. He called on the youth to desist from being used by politicians in the coming elections and instead use their numbers to negotiate better empowerment policies. Ruto was accompanied by ministers Hellen Sambili and Ali Chirau Mwakwere and assistant ministers William Cheptumo and Asman Kamama. MPs Joshua Kuttuny, Benjamin Langat, Sammy Mwaita, Jackson Kiptanui, Zakayo Cheruiyot , Charles Keter and former National assembly speaker Francis Ole Kaparo also attended the meeting. www.nairobistar.com/local/rift-valley/33127-ruto-offensive-against-raila-in-rift-valleyand more: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ruto+dares+Raila+to+expel+him+/-/1064/1207046/-/d8j96q/-/index.htmlwww.youtube.com/user/kenyacitizentv#p/c/9E48408AE9145817/3/_4aRjDck4HY
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Post by phil on Jul 25, 2011 17:41:46 GMT 3
Meanwhile Ruto calls Raila's bluff: Ruto converts Raila ODM offices into UDM branchEldoret North MP William Ruto yesterday converted a former ODM office into a new UDM headquarters in Rongai Constituency during a three-day tour of the central Rift Valley. He maintained his offensive against Prime Minister Raila Odinga and implored the residents to join him in UDM. He was accompanied by various MPs from Rift valley and other UDM leaders. The new UDM constituency office is in Kampi ya Moto area of Rongai Constituency. Ruto termed a move by ODM to expel him and four other MPs from the party as “the last kicks of a dying horse” noting that Rift Valley MPs had already declared that they were done with the party. He was accompanied by more than 10 MPs who castigated ODM leadership saying its latest attempt to eject him and others from the party was dictatorship and intolerance. “There are more than 50 political parties in Kenya. Why would anyone think that expulsion from one party is a tragedy?” he told a rally at Poror High School in Eldama Ravine. The suspended minister lashed out at Prime Minister Raila Odinga saying that MPs allied to him no longer needed ODM to survive politically. “I am done with ODM and I am telling them goodbye, their efforts to chase us away are of no consequence at all,” he told crowds at a rally in Kabartonjo town. Ruto termed ODM as a party falling short of democratic traditions and instead focused on idolatry. He challenged the Prime Minister to focus on resolving the current famine situation in the country instead of focusing on party intrigues and political games. “As a former Agriculture minister, I know from experience that Kenya has the capability to solve its food problems. Let’s focus on that instead of political machinations,” he said. He called on the youth to desist from being used by politicians in the coming elections and instead use their numbers to negotiate better empowerment policies. Ruto was accompanied by ministers Hellen Sambili and Ali Chirau Mwakwere and assistant ministers William Cheptumo and Asman Kamama. MPs Joshua Kuttuny, Benjamin Langat, Sammy Mwaita, Jackson Kiptanui, Zakayo Cheruiyot , Charles Keter and former National assembly speaker Francis Ole Kaparo also attended the meeting. www.nairobistar.com/local/rift-valley/33127-ruto-offensive-against-raila-in-rift-valleyand more: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ruto+dares+Raila+to+expel+him+/-/1064/1207046/-/d8j96q/-/index.htmlwww.youtube.com/user/kenyacitizentv#p/c/9E48408AE9145817/3/_4aRjDck4HYNow can you imagine what ruto would do if he were president of the republic? God forbid! These latest actions of impunity by Ruto are just but attention seeking and childish> They should be condemned in the strogest possible terms because power cannot be grabbed via such side shows. Ruto can only gain power via the ballot box and this is where ODM is going to put him where he belongs. For a group of MPs who long ago abandoned the party and boycotted paying their monthly subscriptions the taking over of an ODM office equates to a declaration of war. No difference with Museveni collecting taxes and raising the Ugandan flag on Migingo. Thankfully, ODM is made up of democracts and civilised people or else.....? Kelele ya chura haimzui N'gombe kunyua maji, ehe Mwalimumtukutu?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 25, 2011 18:03:30 GMT 3
phil As you can see ruto is one deadly megalomaniac. His only agenda is 'lashing' out at the Rt Hon Prime Minister. Hakuna anything else.
But being the coward he is, he cant defect and go to UDM officially. Why? cowardice? opportunism? If he says they dont need the Rt Hon Prime Minister to survive politically what are they waiting for? If ODM is a dying party (and the so, so polls indicates otherwise) what is he still doing in ODM.
You see, this intellectual dissonance is what styming the rocket ruto blasting inot the higher political orbit. There is no honesty in his politics and folks can see it. He has been reduced to playing spoiler, and nothing else.
As I have said here before, ruto is a dead man walking politically. He is done at National level politics because of his avarice, capriciousness, and recklessness. he will be used, but he will not be rewarded.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 25, 2011 18:13:35 GMT 3
phil and others,
It looks to me like Ruto has panicked and overreacted which must be great news for ODM. This was a delicate move by ODM and Ruto's erratic behaviour is going to help ODM dump the egomaniac much easier than they thought.
Right now Ruto is behaving like he has a ton of M.Ps ready to commit suicide for him. Ruto wants M.Ps in his pay to be ready to go for elections. Those chaps may be idiots but they like their money. There is no guarantee that any of them can be re-elected. Once seats are declared vacant they are open to anybody.
The notion that Ruto allies will be fighting Raila allies in the by-elections is part of Ruto's misguided hubris. There will be all sorts of new candidates who will contest as individuals. Being an M.P is big business and there are very many folks looking for an opportunity to kick the stuffing out of some of those Ruto allies.
When the rubber hits the road very few M.Ps are going to go with Ruto for re-elections. Ruto will then start facing his own internal strife as M.Ps willing to go with the small maniac square with those who are not willing to play dead. Ruto has never ever ran a political party. He was sitting on Moi's lap for years. Then he misled Moi into believing that he and Uhuru could take on Raila, Kibaki and others. Big mistake. They were kicked in the teeth in 2002.
Then thanks to Kibaki's tribal chauvinists who hijacked the Narc revolution, Ruto got a lifeline working with kina Raila for a new constitution. It caught heat in the whole country and Ruto soon became a hero in Rift Valley for standing firm on the battle for a new constitution. That is how ODM was born. Ruto soon found himself in a national popular party.
Now for the first time in his life, Ruto is going to try to actually form and run a political party. It is not as easy as some people think. Ruto idea of me, myself and I is not going to help him ran a party. Running party needs collective thinking. It needs ideas on where one wants to take the nation.
A party whose only task is to bad mouth Raila is not going to go very far. You need a national agenda. You need people willing to work with you not just people you pay to talk rubbish. You need volunteers from every walk of life. You need thinkers from every walk of life. You need vision and people who believe in that vision. You cannot ran a party on endless tantrums.
In away Ruto needed Raila to keep him relevant. That is now gone. Ruto can whine and mourn about Raila 24/7 but he can be assured that Raila will completely ignore him. Getting rid of Ruto from ODM is going to bring "political hygiene" in the party and it is going to pay off big time.
Ruto will take his share of votes from Rift Valley but Raila will take his share too from Rift Valley. But I think the greatest benefit for ODM will be an opening to work with other folks and other communities after getting rid of the cancer in the party. Let him take that disease elsewhere. Ruto is an impossible person to work with and at the end of the day that is going to be his ultimate downfall. It is coming. Oh yes, it is.
In the immediate scenario Ruto may have to be running for re-election while commutting to the Hague and back. Very soon Kalenjin folks will be asking themselves if he is really the best thing they have going. He has done nothing for them and everything for himself. People are going to want to know if they have to tie themselves in his political death bed.
If there is one person who is going nowhere politically, that person is William Ruto. I think the ODM distancing itself from Ruto is going to expose Ruto's complete fakeness as a leader. It is about time.
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Post by federa on Jul 25, 2011 19:02:58 GMT 3
Looking at William Ruto lately, the man honestly looks and sounds unbalanced. He is simple not making sense. Everyone now already knows how much he loathes ODM and his conviction that the party is dead and heading nowhere. There is no need to keep repeating this week in, week out. Given his feelings and views about ODM, people are now waiting for him to do the next logical thing. Resign and join UDM. Any principled politician would have done that by now, instead of pouring vitriol on the party and the party leader but remaining in it. The big question is why is Ruto still in ODM and what does this tell about the kind of person he is? The man certainly appears to have lost it completely. As long as he remains in ODM, all these talk about how ODM is dead and heading nowhere do not make any sense. He is not chained to the party. Let him do the honourable thing and we will all wish him luck in UDM.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jul 25, 2011 19:14:02 GMT 3
Federa et al,
Ruto and his allies have told all and sundry that they have nothing to do with Raila's ODM. They have indicated loudly and clearly that they are not even going to waste their time and money contesting the case in court but let Mutunga and his ODM crowd do what they please.
The man has even gone ahead and painted ODM offices UDM colours. What else do you want to see to realize that these fellows do not give a damn about ODM any more? Whereas some of you may want to call it panic, to me, it is what Ole Ntimama and LDP once termed as Kukanyagana mpaka dakika ya mwisho. Those who will survive will live to tell the story.
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Post by commes on Jul 25, 2011 19:30:12 GMT 3
Federa et al,Ruto and his allies have told all and sundry that they have nothing to do with Raila's ODM. They have indicated loudly and clearly that they are not even going to waste their time and money contesting the case in court but let Mutunga and his ODM crowd do what they please. The man has even gone ahead and painted ODM offices UDM colours. What else do you want to see to realize that these fellows do not give a damn about ODM any more? Whereas some of you may want to call it panic, to me, it is what Ole Ntimama and LDP once termed as Kukanyagana mpaka dakika ya mwisho. Those who will survive will live to tell the story. MwalimumkuuRuto should now be man enuff and resign from ODM? He needs to lead by example. What is keeping him there? He is assured of my vote ;D ;D ;D. There is no way that over 30 or so sane MPs are going to commit political suicide by following Ruto. Lip service from these MPs is just one of the things that worries Ruto. Another as has been said here is that it is not cheap to set up a national party. The ICC is also chewing into Ruto’s finances. History casts William Ruto under the maxim of repeating a lie often enough for the lie to be believed. We witnessed it during the NO campaigns. This has worked for him as much as many may know that lie is a lie even when it is accepted as truth. It is time that the ODM leadership rebuffs such lies with facts.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jul 25, 2011 20:52:50 GMT 3
Federa et al,Ruto and his allies have told all and sundry that they have nothing to do with Raila's ODM. They have indicated loudly and clearly that they are not even going to waste their time and money contesting the case in court but let Mutunga and his ODM crowd do what they please. The man has even gone ahead and painted ODM offices UDM colours. What else do you want to see to realize that these fellows do not give a damn about ODM any more? Whereas some of you may want to call it panic, to me, it is what Ole Ntimama and LDP once termed as Kukanyagana mpaka dakika ya mwisho. Those who will survive will live to tell the story. hehehehehehehe: It is going to take a little more than painting offices for Ruto to launch a party. He is on his own for the first time in his political career. No more Moi to climb. No Raila to jump around with and to hold your hand. Even Uhuru has his immediate concerns ranging from the ICC to just protecting the family wealth and may have very little time to babysit Ruto. Isn't it so funny that William Ruto and Uhuru Kenyatta have a date with the ICC basically for fighting each other using illegal means and causing a lot of harm to the folks and the land and now they say they are married. How does stuff like this happen? The wound is still live and the ICC hearings are going to open them again. Nothing is going away. Anyhow for the first time William Ruto is on his own. Let's see what he got. Does Ruto really have anything for the good of our country? If so, what is it? That is what I want William Ruto to tell me. Bring your record before Kenyans, Mr. William Ruto, and let them be the judge if you represent their hopes and aspirations as a people and a country. If so, we can have a discussion. We will be right here.
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Post by mzee on Jul 25, 2011 22:13:27 GMT 3
I think that Ruto and co should not be expelled from ODM at this late hour. Let them wallow in their stupidity mpaka 2012, for there is no need of trying to strangle a drowning man. I think that Kenyans have seen what stuff Ruto is made of. Come decision time, I know that they wont disappoint.
We also know that this man is not appearing in the ballot paper in 2012 because of the ICC trial that will be dragging past elections. But even if he did, which is unlikely, Kenyans will show him where he was born.
T hats why I say that ODM should let Ruto make the noise he wants and change the colour of all ODM offices to whatever colour, it wont add any value to his diminishing clout .
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Post by kamalet on Jul 25, 2011 22:40:54 GMT 3
For a man so insiginificant in Kenyan politics and one awaiting a much worse fate in the Hague, I keep getting intrigued at the efforts that ODM makes to force him out even when he completely declines to leave the party preferring to rock it from within! How much damage would he do to ODM if he was simply ignored and allowed to throw his tantrums?
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Post by mzee on Jul 25, 2011 23:50:15 GMT 3
For a man so insiginificant in Kenyan politics and one awaiting a much worse fate in the Hague, I keep getting intrigued at the efforts that ODM makes to force him out even when he completely declines to leave the party preferring to rock it from within! How much damage would he do to ODM if he was simply ignored and allowed to throw his tantrums? Kamale,I now believe that this is the best way to go. Let the man stay on and leave when he wishes. He would throw so much tantarums that he would get tired. This issue of trying to deal with him in July 2012 is a waste of time in my opinion. Afterall his nonsense has failed to break ODM. Even his friends such as Sally and Najib have seen him for what he is. There is time to fight and time to retreat, this is time for ODM to retreat.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 26, 2011 2:29:51 GMT 3
Its obvious the conundrum and night mare that ails ruto is that he is in no mans land politically. He is not in ODM and neither does he have control of UDM. Having painted ODM offices in UDM colors why then does he still cling to ODM? Please lets not give credence to keguoya assertion that we Kenyans are pumbaff and mavi ya kuku by making silly arguments just for the sake of it. Logically ruto should not be in this precarious position of having ODM throw him out, he should have resigned a long time ago! Thats is the sole reason why his empty threats are not making anyone quiver. And can someone else apart from the author explain what this means?
"I keep getting intrigued at the efforts that ODM makes to force him out even when he completely declines to leave the party preferring to rock it from within! How much damage would he do to ODM if he was simply ignored and allowed to throw his tantrums?
What does this mean jameni? eh?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jul 26, 2011 5:24:36 GMT 3
Someone saw my post above and said this" "The reason why keguoya calls Kenyans pumbaff is that he has transformed cowardice into virtue. When the Rt Hon Prime Minister was uncomfortable in KANU, he left KANU, and went ahead to found/join a different party, and then was re-elected."
But ruto has no balls, he talks the good talk but cant walk it.
He has learnt some times cowardice is the answer. No wonder keguoya just treats him like a child, Mara climb my Presidential Landi In Eldi, during the Agriculture show, then he turns around and snubs him publicity!
And if you look at it keenly, just what has ruto railings gained him. He is still outside looking into the cabinet. He is still ducking every time the Ocampo sword of Damocles swings his way. And yet the Rt Hon Prime Minister still powers his way ahead.
At least in ODM the folks there are not pumbaff!
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