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Post by akinyi2005 on Mar 5, 2011 3:08:14 GMT 3
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What annoys me is that the ruto spin doktas seem to be very agile and shifty in their arguments. They are very good in shifting the goal posts. And thus they seem to be one step ahead of the real ODMers when it comes to the media PR war.
Its time for the ODM hierarchy to follow the laid down protocol and the go ahead and adduce the evidence backing up the reasons, and stating clearly why they need ruto and Co. to go.
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ruto's followers must surely be seeing through these oft repeated lies. eti sally was kicked out of the HBC where's ocampo when we need him?
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 5, 2011 3:50:34 GMT 3
What annoys me is that the ruto spin doktas seem to be very agile and shifty in their arguments. They are very good in shifting the goal posts. And thus they seem to be one step ahead of the real ODMers when it comes to the media PR war. Its time for the ODM hierarchy to follow the laid down protocol and the go ahead and adduce the evidence backing up the reasons, and stating clearly why they need ruto and Co. to go. PM,I think your anger is mistaken. To begin with here we have people who have been preaching about their departure from ODM all of a sudden claiming to be ardent ODM members who want ODM constitution followed. That is hogwash. The mere fact that the Ruto mob is now running back to ODM and claiming they are part of ODM but are only expressing differences of opinion tells me the ODM shock offensive has already achieved its objective, namely tell the so called Ruto rebels that time is up and they may very well have to face the electorate. In terms of the registrar of societies all she needs is a formal and official communication form the leadership of the party to the effect that a member has been expelled. That is the end of story as far as that goes. If those M.Ps feel they have been unfairly treated by their party then they have to go to the party leadership or go to court. These guys are clutching on straws. All of a sudden they are the experts on how the party they had already left should work. Even Kalonzo is now a member of ODM telling ODM members how ODM should work. I thought he stole the certificate for the party already. Is that not enough? Yesterday Ruto and Ruto Inc. were dangling UDM as their party of choice and trashing ODM at every opportunity. Today they are demanding to stay in ODM. They got the message. I think the technical issues as to the process of expelling members that is nothing. It can be done in one day. But yes ODM has to do things the smart way and that was my response right from the beginning of this thread. I have made my concerns known to the party. I insist Isaac Ruto and Duale should be expelled. If they want to fight about the process, fine, that is the easy part. Remember Ruto and Duale's main beef is that they want to remove Ababu Namwamba from the chair of the parliamentary committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs because of the stand Ababu took on the nomination fiasco. Ababu was on the right side of history and Kenyans are grateful for people like him for standing firm. So the Ruto gang taking the war to ODM on the Namwamba issue is a win win for ODM. Kick Isaac Ruto out because he is fighting against an ODM member who stood for the ODM position and stood firm for the good of Kenya. That is a fight the ODM cannot lose. Otherwise forget the other guys. They have their own problems. If they want to resign en mass, that is their choice. Let them go ahead. Otherwise my problem with ODM on this matter is that they have not articulated their position on the matter very well. Call a good old press conference of the appropriate party leadership and address the Isaac Ruto conspiring against a popular ODM position on the nominations and plotting to overthrow an ODM chair to the Parliamentary Committee of Legal Affairs. Lay the facts onn the table and let's see who the Kenyans really support. It will not be Isaac Ruto. Of that I am sure. Secondly William Ruto and his mob today claimed they are not against ODM, but they have only been raising issues of concern and expressing differences of opinion within the ODM. So what have we had from this group in the last one year? The bulk of their campaign has been that Raila is working with ODM to put Ruto in jail at the Hague. How factual is this nonsense? Bring the facts out and ask Ruto and his friends to tell Kenyans how their lies about the ICC process is genuine debate. It is not and Kenyans know that. I think at this time with the failing shuttle diplomacy coming to its disgraceful end, it might be time for ODM to ask Ruto and co to verify that it is Raila who wants him locked at the Hague. If that is not true then why has Ruto been using that propaganda? What is in it for him and what on earth is in it for the country. This battle is just beginning and it is a battle Ruto and his crew will lose at very turn. adongo
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2011 12:23:31 GMT 3
What annoys me is that the ruto spin doktas seem to be very agile and shifty in their arguments. They are very good in shifting the goal posts. And thus they seem to be one step ahead of the real ODMers when it comes to the media PR war. Its time for the ODM hierarchy to follow the laid down protocol and the go ahead and adduce the evidence backing up the reasons, and stating clearly why they need ruto and Co. to go. You are right here and also in the previous post "Timing is everything " With the new constitution Kenyan politics will have to change or be changed by the constitution . ODM-The Railas , Kajwangs and Midiwos have opted for the second option while ODM -The Rutos ,Balalas and Duales have opted for the first option . Within a period of less than a year ODM has been reduced to a Luo party . And Why is this ? Focus will be changed from parliamentary elections to Senate and Governor elections and with Cabinet coming from outside of parliament which party will want to use that platform to put itself in a position to eat/share the national cake. There is too much to it than it looks like and Seems the Rutos Balalas and Duale are steps ahead.
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Post by mzee on Mar 5, 2011 13:29:58 GMT 3
What annoys me is that the ruto spin doktas seem to be very agile and shifty in their arguments. They are very good in shifting the goal posts. And thus they seem to be one step ahead of the real ODMers when it comes to the media PR war. Its time for the ODM hierarchy to follow the laid down protocol and the go ahead and adduce the evidence backing up the reasons, and stating clearly why they need ruto and Co. to go. Within a period of less than a year ODM has been reduced to a Luo party . And Why is this ? nowayhaha,People who are a step ahead do not cry like babies when they are asked to do what they always wanted to do ie ditch ODM. These guys have now found themselves in mucky grounds and the quick sand is slowly but surely consuming them. I wonder who will save them. Kibaki? Forget it. He hates the Rutos so much he would rather not associate with them. He is only doing so because he believes they are fighting Raila on his behalf. Once they are kicked out that will be the end. Ask Murungaru if you think Im lying. Anyway, your assertion that ODM is a luo party is laughable. Dont you think? The party has close to 100 MPs. Just subtract half or even three quarters of the Kalenjin Mps and the party still remains with over 70 MPs. DO you mean to tell me that the former Nyanza has 70 Mps? Try another. Infact Luo Mps are just about 26. Please stop your tribal intense lies and do research before you open your mouth.
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Post by mzee on Mar 5, 2011 14:00:44 GMT 3
Now this is what the expelled MPs said a while ago. Hear Isaack Rutto speaking. --------------------------------------------- Chepalungu MP Isaac Rutto and his Emgwen counterpart Elijah Lagat, both of who are Ruto’s close allies were bold enough to say MPs and residents of Rift Valley would be joining the party"Yes, UDM is the party of the future in Rift Valley as it enjoys massive following across the country," Rutto said in a brief statement saying he would expound on it later. Rutto previously defied his ODM party that sponsored him to Parliament and campaigned for UDM candidate Brigadier (rtd) Alexander Sitienei in the Sotik by-election against current ODM MP Joyce Laboso.Rutto teamed up with Koech, former MP Nathaniel Chebelion and other UDM top guns to campaign for Sitienei who came second to Dr Laboso in the by-election, that was occasioned by the demise of her sister and former Assistant Minister Lorna Laboso. But another key Ruto ally, Cherangany MP Joshua Kuttuny said they were still weighing their options. He, however, admitted that UDM was "one of three parties they were considering moving into". Lagat yesterday said on telephone that the decision to join UDM might not be unanimous but some MPs had already made up their minds on the issue. "The party has a national outlook and is one of the best options for us as a region. The people on the ground are for the idea," Lagat said www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000022722&cid=4
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Post by palaver on Mar 5, 2011 14:21:06 GMT 3
By what standards does UDM consider itself a national party? How many mps from outside central rift subscribe to its vision(if they have one!) or is the cold feet developed by balala,duale and magara have them them believing that there tentacles reach every corner of KENYA?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 8, 2011 3:25:48 GMT 3
I am beginning to get a bit irritated when this three month rule is mentioned. That one must have been a member of a political party for at least three months before they can contest an election on that party ticket. Come on, good people, all of us can read perfectly well. Where is this law? It is certainly not in the Political Parties Act. The only requirement here is that one gives a 14-day notice before they resign from a party. The 3 month rule that is much talked about was a proposal in the Political Parties Bill that was tabled by the then Minster for Justice and Constitution Affairs Martha Karua. This was of course rejected by the MPs, who replaced it with the 14-day notice rule before they passed the bill. So any analysis of the unfolding events that takes into account a supposed 3 month rule is misguided and off the mark. Read this link that I was sent. See what is says about the 3mo rule. I hope this gets you less irritated. Obviously Hon Miguna knows the Law!! A few envious peers cant stand Hon Miguna's erudite op-eds. The gripe moan and ..... But they cant go toe to toe with him on either legal or policy debate.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 8, 2011 4:57:06 GMT 3
I am beginning to get a bit irritated when this three month rule is mentioned. That one must have been a member of a political party for at least three months before they can contest an election on that party ticket. Come on, good people, all of us can read perfectly well. Where is this law? It is certainly not in the Political Parties Act. The only requirement here is that one gives a 14-day notice before they resign from a party. The 3 month rule that is much talked about was a proposal in the Political Parties Bill that was tabled by the then Minster for Justice and Constitution Affairs Martha Karua. This was of course rejected by the MPs, who replaced it with the 14-day notice rule before they passed the bill. So any analysis of the unfolding events that takes into account a supposed 3 month rule is misguided and off the mark. Read this link that I was sent. See what is says about the 3mo rule. I hope this gets you less irritated. Obviously Hon Miguna knows the Law!! A few envious peers cant stand Hon Miguna's erudite op-eds. The gripe moan and ..... But they cant go toe to toe with him on either legal or policy debate. You would do us a great favor by quoting the relevant article in either Katiba or act instead of relying on this Moi/ODM paper.
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Post by merlin on Mar 8, 2011 11:22:25 GMT 3
Read this link that I was sent. See what is says about the 3mo rule. I hope this gets you less irritated. Obviously Hon Miguna knows the Law!! A few envious peers cant stand Hon Miguna's erudite op-eds. The gripe moan and ..... But they cant go toe to toe with him on either legal or policy debate. You would do us a great favor by quoting the relevant article in either Katiba or act instead of relying on this Moi/ODM paper. The ConstitutionThe constitution quotes a 3 months period only in case of standing as an independent candidate. Eligibility to stand as an independent candidate 85. Any person is eligible to stand as an independent candidate for election if the person –
(a) is not a member of a registered political party and has not been a member for at least three months immediately before the date of the election; and (b) satisfies the requirements of––
(i) Article 99 (1) (c) (i) or (ii), in the case of a candidate for election to the National Assembly or the Senate, respectively; or (ii) Article 193 (1) (c) (ii), in the case of a candidate for election to a county assembly .
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Post by kamalet on Mar 8, 2011 14:15:49 GMT 3
You would do us a great favor by quoting the relevant article in either Katiba or act instead of relying on this Moi/ODM paper. The ConstitutionThe constitution quotes a 3 months period only in case of standing as an independent candidate. Eligibility to stand as an independent candidate 85. Any person is eligible to stand as an independent candidate for election if the person –
(a) is not a member of a registered political party and has not been a member for at least three months immediately before the date of the election; and (b) satisfies the requirements of––
(i) Article 99 (1) (c) (i) or (ii), in the case of a candidate for election to the National Assembly or the Senate, respectively; or (ii) Article 193 (1) (c) (ii), in the case of a candidate for election to a county assembly ......Which means they can stand on an UDM ticket?
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Post by phil on Mar 8, 2011 14:25:09 GMT 3
.....Which means they can stand on an UDM ticket? Which is what ODM is asking them to do, rather than rock the boat from within!
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Post by mzee on Mar 8, 2011 16:46:15 GMT 3
Now the rebels want to go camp in Charity Ngilus NARC. Well, Ngilu will allow them on condition that she calls shots. Did she not deny Kibaki the same vehicle in 2007? Who tells these noise makers that she will let them get in given their noise making reputation.
What I wonder is this; would it be more natural for these guys to re-join Kanu or decamp to ODM-K instead? They fit hands in gloves in the two parties. Can someone propose this to William Ruto.
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Post by phil on Mar 8, 2011 17:25:25 GMT 3
Now the rebels want to go camp in Charity Ngilus NARC. Well, Ngilu will allow them on condition that she calls shots. Did she not deny Kibaki the same vehicle in 2007? Who tells these noise makers that she will let them get in given their noise making reputation. What I wonder is this; would it be more natural for these guys to re-join Kanu or decamp to ODM-K instead? They fit hands in gloves in the two parties. Can someone propose this to William Ruto. It is a clever ploy to avoid expulsion from ODM but I doubt if it will work because it is the individual political party that can invoke the expulsion clause fo dissident members. Word from the ground in RV is that Uhuru/Ruto ticket is not bankable, and Ruto is risk running into the same fate as Musalia in 2002. This is why the censure motions have not seen light of day, and Ruto has met a blank stare in proposing a mass defection to weaken ODM. The MPs are happy collecting weekly allowances from Ruto but they are quite scared of collectively defecting into oblivion with Ruto. What I know is that Ngilu is also contemplating quitting the ODM since she reckons, like Henry Kosgey, she is not receiving enough political support from the Prime Minister. Her recent return from hospitalisation in the UK was somewhat cold, as opposed to Nyongo, who has been received very well. She also burnt bridges with Kibaki when she quit the GNU prior to the 2007 elections and cannot bring herself to work under Kalonzo. As a lone ranger, she will probably even lose her parliamentary seat especially if Kalonzo stands for president again as he is expected to. With Gideon Moi now meeting the Prime Minister in the recent past on several occasions, it seems to me 2012 will see completely new alliances forming.
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Post by mzee on Mar 8, 2011 17:57:20 GMT 3
Phil,You bring a whole new twist to the issue, especially regarding Charity Ngilu and Gideon Moi. But before I get to that I have seen that the rebels are now claiming that they were elected under the old constitution and that the new one does not apply to them as far as expulsions is concerned. Listen to Ruto. “I am in Parliament under the provision of the old Constitution, which says that I can only lose my seat if I become bankrupt; if I go mad or through an election petition. This doesn’t include (ODM Chief Whip Jakoyo) Midiwo writing a letter to the Registrar of Political Parties or some like that,” he said www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/MPs+say+move+to+expel+them+futile+/-/1064/1120950/-/f84mt9/-/index.htmlThis thing seem to have scared these guys kabisa. They are looking for all means possible to stick to the party that they have been claiming to have abandoned. Its a shame. As per Ngilu, I would like her to stay within ODM. The lady has been very strong in Ukambani and has for along time kept Kajudas at bay. I think that best the PM can do is to bring her closer. She is a good fighter unlike Kajudas who believes in free stuff. I know that the lady has been scandalized or rather found herself in scandals but she has not been found guilty of anything. Besides who does ODM have in Ukambani apart from Ngilu and Mwau (who has drug troubles)? Phil, we cannot let Charity go, it would break my heart. As for Gideon, I'm afraid that he is still Mois son and the old man as we know cannot stand RAO. I wonder who Gideon will listen to when push comes to shove. Remember how Uhuru pretended to be supportive of ODM until the last minute? Gideon could be such a person. But again I might be wrong.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 8, 2011 19:29:51 GMT 3
phil & mzee,
It is amazing that M.Ps who were screaming yesterday about how they were going to kick the PM to the opposition, take over committees and run ODM to its political grave are now busy grasping on bizarre ways to keep their seats
The Political Parties Act is now part of the law of the lands that one was elected under the old law is neither here nor there. The same Duale Mr. Panic claimed that under the Political Parties Act they can only be removed from their seats through a vote in parliament. Of he has realized that is utter nonsense. Now he is jumping some other excuses.
But It is nice to see big mouths realize the game is up and if they want to play hardball then hardball it is. These folk need some credible lawyer if indeed the ODM has written to the Speaker expelling. Their jua kali legal positions are getting weirder by the day.
The crux of the PPA is that M.Ps must stay in the parties that sponsored them to parliament or if they want to join other political parties then quit or be expelled and seek re-election. Whining that Sambili is a member of UDM and should be expelled first is nonsense. She was elected as UDM member and opted to work with ODM. She is in parliament as a member of UDM and only UDM can expel her. Same with Ngilu and Narc. It is the party that sponsored you, not the one you jump into after getting elected.
The truth of the matter is that these amigos are scared shitless with the prospect of going for by elections and now want to stick to ODM like ticks. All that mass walkout talk is dead and deader. Talk is cheap. When reality settled in now some people want to be ODM by force. Bure kabisa.
adongo
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Post by commes on Mar 8, 2011 20:40:56 GMT 3
Phil On this matter, it is apparent you guys are are confusing the provisions of the NARA on one hand and those of the Political Parties Act on the other hand. In the NARA, the removal of the Prime Minister requires that the house passes a simple majority vote, but for one to be Prime Minister, they must be leader of a majority political party and if he/she is be replaced by that majority party, then the highest decision making organ of that party, in this case the National Delegates Congress, must pass a resolution to that effect and copy the same to the Registrar of Political Parties. I am no lawyer but the Coalition government is a different ball game. It is not as simple as stated in NARA. I thought that when one is voted in as president the votes are not transferable. In the case of the disputed 2007 presidential elections the two principles formed a coalition government since they had the most votes from the Kenyan citizens. Kalonzo was third. Presidential votes are therefore not transferable, unless one seeks a fresh mandate from the electorate. Technically this means that every one in the August House will seek to recapture their seats as per NARA Aden Duale and Isaac Ruto should man up and quit! Wasn’t Isaac Ruto the same chap who coined the statement “don’t be vague…”
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 9, 2011 10:15:58 GMT 3
Phil Mzee & Adongo . Do you believe what you are writing , that is contrary to what is in the media and on ground. ODM-Raila is falling into the trap of popularizing UDM as the vehicle for Rift valley politicians come next years elections in "August". Next years elections will be about regional parties and not national parties and this where ODM-Raila fails to see the light .
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Post by mzee on Mar 9, 2011 10:40:36 GMT 3
Phil Mzee & Adongo . Do you believe what you are writing , that is contrary to what is in the media and on ground. ODM-Raila is falling into the trap of popularizing UDM as the vehicle for Rift valley politicians come next years elections in "August". Next years elections will be about regional parties and not national parties and this where ODM-Raila fails to see the light . We are talking of P.O.R.K here. How do you expect a regional party to produce a president? I think you have misunderstood the whole discussion. There are as many regional parties in Kenya as there are regions. Dont tell me that they are better off than a national party such as ODM.
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Post by mzee on Mar 9, 2011 10:43:32 GMT 3
phil & mzee,It is amazing that M.Ps who were screaming yesterday about how they were going to kick the PM to the opposition, take over committees and run ODM to its political grave are now busy grasping on bizarre ways to keep their seats The Political Parties Act is now part of the law of the lands that one was elected under the old law is neither here nor there. The same Duale Mr. Panic claimed that under the Political Parties Act they can only be removed from their seats through a vote in parliament. Of he has realized that is utter nonsense. Now he is jumping some other excuses. But It is nice to see big mouths realize the game is up and if they want to play hardball then hardball it is. These folk need some credible lawyer if indeed the ODM has written to the Speaker expelling. Their jua kali legal positions are getting weirder by the day. The crux of the PPA is that M.Ps must stay in the parties that sponsored them to parliament or if they want to join other political parties then quit or be expelled and seek re-election. Whining that Sambili is a member of UDM and should be expelled first is nonsense. She was elected as UDM member and opted to work with ODM. She is in parliament as a member of UDM and only UDM can expel her. Same with Ngilu and Narc. It is the party that sponsored you, not the one you jump into after getting elected. The truth of the matter is that these amigos are scared shitless with the prospect of going for by elections and now want to stick to ODM like ticks. All that mass walkout talk is dead and deader. Talk is cheap. When reality settled in now some people want to be ODM by force. Bure kabisa. adongo Adongo, Wacha walie machozi ODM will not relent in the quest to throw them out. Let ODM look for strong candidates in these areas for they are now up for grabs.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 9, 2011 11:05:26 GMT 3
Phil Mzee & Adongo . Do you believe what you are writing , that is contrary to what is in the media and on ground. ODM-Raila is falling into the trap of popularizing UDM as the vehicle for Rift valley politicians come next years elections in "August". Next years elections will be about regional parties and not national parties and this where ODM-Raila fails to see the light . We are talking of P.O.R.K here. How do you expect a regional party to produce a president? I think you have misunderstood the whole discussion. There are as many regional parties in Kenya as there are regions. Dont tell me that they are better off than a national party such as ODM. The new constitution will re-model the coalition of parties and it will be beneficial for parties to form coalitions during the election run-offs and this means consolidating the regional bloc votes during the initial election. It is evident no presidential candidate will be able garner the required votes to meet the threshold of becoming the president elect during the first round of the 2012 elections. Maybe later it will be possible to have national parties once the politics mature or dependent on the outcome of the 2012 elections
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Post by mzee on Mar 9, 2011 12:56:10 GMT 3
We are talking of P.O.R.K here. How do you expect a regional party to produce a president? I think you have misunderstood the whole discussion. There are as many regional parties in Kenya as there are regions. Dont tell me that they are better off than a national party such as ODM. The new constitution will re-model the coalition of parties and it will be beneficial for parties to form coalitions during the election run-offs and this means consolidating the regional bloc votes during the initial election. It is evident no presidential candidate will be able garner the required votes to meet the threshold of becoming the president elect during the first round of the 2012 elections. Maybe later it will be possible to have national parties once the politics mature or dependent on the outcome of the 2012 elections If you dont start thinking as a Kenyan rather a regional being then you are lost. A journey of a million miles starts by by one step at atime. Maturity will not just happen on a certain day or age. It must be natured and that means starting to think out of the box now and not tommorrow. Thats what we are doing in Kenya these days. Ukibaki nyuma shauri yako.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 9, 2011 20:21:36 GMT 3
nowayhaha, If you dont start thinking as a Kenyan rather a regional being then you are lost. A journey of a million miles starts by by one step at atime. Maturity will not just happen on a certain day or age. It must be natured and that means starting to think out of the box now and not tommorrow. Thats what we are doing in Kenya these days. Ukibaki nyuma shauri yako. I just find it amazing that some folks are still living in the prehistoric electoral age, while the Nation has moved on into a new paradigm, when it comes to voting. The Overton window has moved kabisa, helped along by the totally inept mafiya wa mt kenya regime misrule. What the mafiya (and also to a major extent by kipkorios's tyrannical kleptocracy) has shown us is this. Its not really about tribes anymore, but about how local competing interests can be reconciled with National interests, with everyones interests. For you see, we are very interdependent irrespective of tribe/regions. We cannot afford to cocoon ourselves within the 'nyoba' philosophy anymore. Its no longer about "our house, our turn to eat, The Presidency is ours' mindset. That tactic has run its course and that is why you see kina ruto and the mafiya wa mt Kenya so lost and concerned. That outdated electoral ploy has run its own course. It has failed miserably in the past and attempts to resurrect it via the infamous jomo jnr/ruto kkk have tanked miserably. The authors of that concept have ran away from it, kina Judas KM included. They could not answer the question regarding the fate of the other 40 tribes. Kwani Are they doomed? Are they not kenyans too or what? Cordoning off sections of the population eti 'these are our people and their interests are supreme' to that of the Nation and others at large and using them as electoral vehicles is passe. The mafiya wa mt Kenya stole the 2007 in the name of their base, eti the 'Presidency is ours', and 'we shall look after your interests' blah blah blah. Really? Just how has that worked for their base? Have they really reaped the fruits of that ignominious heinous theft? Or have they seen death (12000 youths missing/dead eti ni mungiki), more death (PEV), Mayhem (forced displacements, Massive IDP camps 3 yrs down the road). kipkorios had absolute power for 24yrs. His base still has lots and lots of outstanding land issues. Rather than solve them, he exacerbated them. A serious Presidential candidate will have to find a common thread that unites us, not divide us. W
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Post by tnk on Mar 9, 2011 22:04:33 GMT 3
nowayhaha, If you dont start thinking as a Kenyan rather a regional being then you are lost. A journey of a million miles starts by by one step at atime. Maturity will not just happen on a certain day or age. It must be natured and that means starting to think out of the box now and not tommorrow. Thats what we are doing in Kenya these days. Ukibaki nyuma shauri yako. I just find it amazing that some folks are still living in the prehistoric electoral age, while the Nation has moved on into a new paradigm, when it comes to voting. The Overton window has moved kabisa, helped along by the totally inept mafiya wa mt kenya regime misrule. What the mafiya (and also to a major extent by kipkorios's tyrannical kleptocracy) has shown us is this. Its not really about tribes anymore, but about how local competing interests can be reconciled with National interests, with everyones interests. For you see, we are very interdependent irrespective of tribe/regions. We cannot afford to cocoon ourselves within the 'nyoba' philosophy anymore. Its no longer about "our house, our turn to eat, The Presidency is ours' mindset. That tactic has run its course and that is why you see kina ruto and the mafiya wa mt Kenya so lost and concerned. That outdated electoral ploy has run its own course. It has failed miserably in the past and attempts to resurrect it via the infamous jomo jnr/ruto kkk have tanked miserably. The authors of that concept have ran away from it, kina Judas KM included. They could not answer the question regarding the fate of the other 40 tribes. Kwani Are they doomed? Are they not kenyans too or what? Cordoning off sections of the population eti 'these are our people and their interests are supreme' to that of the Nation and others at large and using them as electoral vehicles is passe. The mafiya wa mt Kenya stole the 2007 in the name of their base, eti the 'Presidency is ours', and 'we shall look after your interests' blah blah blah. Really? Just how has that worked for their base? Have they really reaped the fruits of that ignominious heinous theft? Or have they seen death (12000 youths missing/dead eti ni mungiki), more death (PEV), Mayhem (forced displacements, Massive IDP camps 3 yrs down the road). kipkorios had absolute power for 24yrs. His base still has lots and lots of outstanding land issues. Rather than solve them, he exacerbated them. A serious Presidential candidate will have to find a common thread that unites us, not divide us. W there appears to be a general hopelessness / lost / confused in this support base www.nation.co.ke/blogs/Move+may+shift+political+alliances+ahead+of+2012+polls+/-/446672/1122236/-/view/asBlogPost/-/p95r4p/-/index.htmleven gaitho cannot spin any coherent position totally clutching at straws
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 10, 2011 8:20:16 GMT 3
I really did not understand where this mafiya wa mt kenya mouth piece was heading with that op-ed. So What is his conclusion? What a useless waste of print space
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Post by mzee on Mar 25, 2011 23:58:34 GMT 3
What happened to this case? Are these guys being expelled or not? Does anyone know
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