MURDER OF SHEIKH ABOUD ROGO

[mzee]

Aug 28, 2012 5:02:08 GMT 3 merkeju said:

Raila and Kibaki have failed Kenya, the two are responsible for the death of Kenyans that is taking place now, the death of Rogo in cold blood, the Tana death, Wajir, if Raila expect to be the next president of Kenya he should prove that he has spine and stand up against this atrocities, all indication shows the police or the CIA are responsible for Rogo's death, no crocodile tears will bring him back Raila should know that,investigation wont bring him back, killing him infront of an 8 year old kid is shameful and those responsible should be held to account.

Raila does not control the security apparatus, I hope that you are not suggesting that he mobilizes the people of kibera to arrest the killers.

Truth be told we have a useless president.

[Titchaz]

Aug 28, 2012 10:35:15 GMT 3 phil said:

Second day of rioting in Mombasa. Businesses remain closed and Christians are demanding for protection from Government

Police hae reportedly fired teargas carnisters and fire rubber bullets to disperse rowdy youth in Majengo, Mombasa as fresh protests over Aboud Rogo’s killing erupt.

[b6k]

[roughrider]

Aug 27, 2012 22:27:45 GMT 3 kamalet said:

I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I believe in a judicial process that leads to termination of life on a finding of guilt.

I believe that victims of terrorism are entitled to fair justice through the punishment of those that support, fund and fuel terrorism

I am sad at HOW Rogo met his death.

I am NOT sad that he did.

This in memory of a friend killed in a terrorist attack in Nairobi by Al Shabaab and many Kenyans who lost their lives and those who have been maimed.

Kamale;

This is disgusting. This has to be one of your more stupid posts. If you believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, how can you celebrate the death of ROGO and dedicate it to your friend’s memory? When and where this Sheikh was found guilty of terrorism?

Tell us, where is the judicial process that you believe in? Did you and your ilk condemn the Sheikh as a 'terrorist' and have him murdered? Is that why why you say 'you are not sad that he died'? Given your statements we can only assume that you and your ilk had him murdered so that you could dedicate his 'death' to friends that you have lost to terror?

You do not realise that these actions will increase, not reduce terror.

I can see clearly the vicious mentality that led to the killing of thousands of Kikuyu youth and PEV.

Your statement is reckless and inflammatory.

[phil]

PM speaks on Rogo murder
Nairobi, August 28, 2012 PMPS

Prime Minister today strongly condemned the killing of Muslim cleric Aboud Rogo in Mombasa yesterday, saying the heinous act was unacceptable.

Speaking at a press conference in his office, the Prime Minister said the government had instructed the commissioner of police to move with speed and quickly apprehend the perpetrators so that they can be arraigned before a court of law.

He exonerated the government from involvement in the act saying the government does not condone killings of suspects adding if someone is suspected of committing a crime they are arrested and taken to court and not killed.

“We do not operate the rule of the jungle in this country, if someone is suspected of crimes there are laws to deal with it,” he said.

Mr. Odinga appealed for calm in the wake of the killing saying it is unfortunate that there are those who would want to give it a religious angle and instigate an inter-religious conflict between Muslims and Christians.

He said, “Just like they failed to fan such a conflict in Garissa when two churches were attacked recently, even now those torching churches in Mombasa will also fail.”

The Prime Minister asked both Christians and Muslims to act with restrain even as the government investigates the matter. Let us give the law enforcement agencies time to investigate the matter and bring the culprits to book.

[jeff]

Is there a hidden hand in the Mombasa riots?

At the same time, a number of suspect issues must be investigated for it appears there may be more than meets the eye. For instance, was the violence pre-planned and pre-meditated? How come that churches, in different places, were burnt or targeted so swiftly at the same time?

Was there prior hate-preaching on religious grounds in certain places of worship in Mombasa? If so, could the hate-preaching be a bigger octopus with its head in Somalia but its tentacles in Mombasa?

Could the militant Islamist group, Al Shabaab, be playing a role in the scenario behind the scenes, through the preachers of hate in Mombasa or elsewhere? Could the Al Shabaab have set a bait to ignite religious violence, as they have reportedly done in the past? Are there any other organizations in Mombasa that may be involved?

The most widely seen motive is incitement to spark religious hatred and violence. Why would churches be burnt? And for heaven's sake, how would churches be related to crime? Why would churches be vandalised, burnt and looted?

Churches are places of worship and peace, not crime busters or law enforcing organs. By burning churches, are the rioters blaming the Christians for the death of their cleric?

Could it be that these attacks were meant to instigate religious tension by placing the blame for the shooting on Christians?

www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000064957&story_title=Is-there-a-hidden-hand-in-the-Mombasa-riots?

[podp]

Aug 28, 2012 14:07:26 GMT 3 phil said:

PM speaks on Rogo murder
Nairobi, August 28, 2012 PMPS

Prime Minister today strongly condemned the killing of Muslim cleric Aboud Rogo in Mombasa yesterday, saying the heinous act was unacceptable.

Speaking at a press conference in his office, the Prime Minister said the government had instructed the commissioner of police to move with speed and quickly apprehend the perpetrators so that they can be arraigned before a court of law.

He exonerated the government from involvement in the act saying the government does not condone killings of suspects adding if someone is suspected of committing a crime they are arrested and taken to court and not killed.

“We do not operate the rule of the jungle in this country, if someone is suspected of crimes there are laws to deal with it,” he said.

Mr. Odinga appealed for calm in the wake of the killing saying it is unfortunate that there are those who would want to give it a religious angle and instigate an inter-religious conflict between Muslims and Christians.

He said, “Just like they failed to fan such a conflict in Garissa when two churches were attacked recently, even now those torching churches in Mombasa will also fail.”

The Prime Minister asked both Christians and Muslims to act with restrain even as the government investigates the matter. Let us give the law enforcement agencies time to investigate the matter and bring the culprits to book.

Police officers complained that they are unable to stem the rioting because of vague orders

www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000064956&pageNo=2

rather than issue PR statements from peaceful Nairobi both principals need to visit Mombasa. additionally as parliament last week worked past midnight to pass a 'friendly' integrity bill the same parliament can work past midnight to enable Kenya have a legal police chief i.e. Inspector General as spelled out in the Constitution

[kamalet]

Aug 28, 2012 12:39:16 GMT 3 @roughrider said:

Aug 27, 2012 22:27:45 GMT 3 kamalet said:

I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I believe in a judicial process that leads to termination of life on a finding of guilt.

I believe that victims of terrorism are entitled to fair justice through the punishment of those that support, fund and fuel terrorism

I am sad at HOW Rogo met his death.

I am NOT sad that he did.

This in memory of a friend killed in a terrorist attack in Nairobi by Al Shabaab and many Kenyans who lost their lives and those who have been maimed.

Kamale;

This is disgusting. This has to be one of your more stupid posts. If you believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, how can you celebrate the death of ROGO and dedicate it to your friend’s memory? When and where this Sheikh was found guilty of terrorism?

Tell us, where is the judicial process that you believe in? Did you and your ilk condemn the Sheikh as a 'terrorist' and have him murdered? Is that why why you say 'you are not sad that he died'? Given your statements we can only assume that you and your ilk had him murdered so that you could dedicate his 'death' to friends that you have lost to terror?

You do not realise that these actions will increase, not reduce terror.

I can see clearly the vicious mentality that led to the killing of thousands of Kikuyu youth and PEV.

Your statement is reckless and inflammatory.

RR

For the record, I do not give a rats ass what you think about my views on this terrorist.

Secondly after the message of support from Alshabaab that Kuffars like you (and may be me!) should pay, then man might as well have found a worse way to die!

I am an angry man...so do not push it!

[kamalet]

Aug 28, 2012 12:39:16 GMT 3 @roughrider said:

Aug 27, 2012 22:27:45 GMT 3 kamalet said:

I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I believe in a judicial process that leads to termination of life on a finding of guilt.

I believe that victims of terrorism are entitled to fair justice through the punishment of those that support, fund and fuel terrorism

I am sad at HOW Rogo met his death.

I am NOT sad that he did.

This in memory of a friend killed in a terrorist attack in Nairobi by Al Shabaab and many Kenyans who lost their lives and those who have been maimed.

Kamale;

This is disgusting. This has to be one of your more stupid posts. If you believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, how can you celebrate the death of ROGO and dedicate it to your friend’s memory? When and where this Sheikh was found guilty of terrorism?

Tell us, where is the judicial process that you believe in? Did you and your ilk condemn the Sheikh as a 'terrorist' and have him murdered? Is that why why you say 'you are not sad that he died'? Given your statements we can only assume that you and your ilk had him murdered so that you could dedicate his 'death' to friends that you have lost to terror?

You do not realise that these actions will increase, not reduce terror.

I can see clearly the vicious mentality that led to the killing of thousands of Kikuyu youth and PEV.

Your statement is reckless and inflammatory.

RR

For the record, I do not give a rats ass what you think about my views on this terrorist.

Secondly after the message of support from Alshabaab that Kuffars like you (and may be me!) should pay, then man might as well have found a worse way to die!

For some of you we should be running around with tails between our legs for the simple reason our law enforcement as as judicial process allow this man to roam about and advance what he is accused of!

[reporter911]

Aug 28, 2012 15:06:33 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Aug 28, 2012 12:39:16 GMT 3 @roughrider said:

Kamale;

This is disgusting. This has to be one of your more stupid posts. If you believe in ‘innocent until proven guilty’, how can you celebrate the death of ROGO and dedicate it to your friend’s memory? When and where this Sheikh was found guilty of terrorism?

Tell us, where is the judicial process that you believe in? Did you and your ilk condemn the Sheikh as a 'terrorist' and have him murdered? Is that why why you say 'you are not sad that he died'? Given your statements we can only assume that you and your ilk had him murdered so that you could dedicate his 'death' to friends that you have lost to terror?

You do not realise that these actions will increase, not reduce terror.

I can see clearly the vicious mentality that led to the killing of thousands of Kikuyu youth and PEV.

Your statement is reckless and inflammatory.

RR

For the record, I do not give a rats ass what you think about my views on this terrorist.

Secondly after the message of support from Alshabaab that Kuffars like you (and may be me!) should pay, then man might as well have found a worse way to die!

I am an angry man...so do not push it!

Oh Boy!! Angry men are roaming all over Kenya, Miguna and now Kamalet, if most Kenyans walked around angry and allowed the law of the Jungle to rule then the country would go up in flames..

[kamalet]

Aug 28, 2012 15:23:14 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

Aug 28, 2012 15:06:33 GMT 3 kamalet said:

RR

For the record, I do not give a rats ass what you think about my views on this terrorist.

Secondly after the message of support from Alshabaab that Kuffars like you (and may be me!) should pay, then man might as well have found a worse way to die!

I am an angry man...so do not push it!

Oh Boy!! Angry men are roaming all over Kenya, Miguna and now Kamalet, if most Kenyans walked around angry and allowed the law of the Jungle to rule then the country would go up in flames..

very clever coming from a Kuffar!

[phil]

Aug 28, 2012 15:01:32 GMT 3 podp said:

Police officers complained that they are unable to stem the rioting because of vague orders

www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000064956&pageNo=2

rather than issue PR statements from peaceful Nairobi both principals need to visit Mombasa. additionally as parliament last week worked past midnight to pass a 'friendly' integrity bill the same parliament can work past midnight to enable Kenya have a legal police chief i.e. Inspector General as spelled out in the Constitution

Me thinks your statement above is disingenuous. Since when did a condolence message become a PR statement?

According to sources, Kibaki is due to arrive in Mombasa tonight, not to specifically to calm the masses, but to official open the Mombasa ASK Show tomorrow. As you can imagine the security presence in Mombasa has been increased ten-fold to onstensibly to protect the President.

Am not sure if the President (who is also CiC) intends to spend an extra day to meet local religious and political leaders and inform them what his government is doing to bring the killers of Rogo to book and appeal for their help in bringing peace and tranquility in the Mombasa.

The prime minister has been visiting victims at nearly ALL disaster / terrorist / militia attack zones be they in Turkana, Mombasa, Nairobi, Garissa, etc. He does not need to prove himself now and besides, he is not the CiC who you inform us is giving vague orders!

[amadain]

KENYA POLICE SAY MOMBASA RIOTERS ATTACK POLICE OFFICERS WITH GRENADE, CASUALTIES FEARED - REUTERS

[amadain]

CCTV crew of Jane Kiyo and Michael Kinja attacked by rowdy youths in Majengo, Mombasa. Two people stabbed stabbed outside Salvation Army (Daily Nation Twitter)

[podp]

Aug 28, 2012 15:36:41 GMT 3 phil said:

Aug 28, 2012 15:01:32 GMT 3 podp said:

Police officers complained that they are unable to stem the rioting because of vague orders

www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000064956&pageNo=2

rather than issue PR statements from peaceful Nairobi both principals need to visit Mombasa. additionally as parliament last week worked past midnight to pass a 'friendly' integrity bill the same parliament can work past midnight to enable Kenya have a legal police chief i.e. Inspector General as spelled out in the Constitution

Me thinks your statement above is disingenuous. Since when did a condolence message become a PR statement?

According to sources, Kibaki is due to arrive in Mombasa tonight, not to specifically to calm the masses, but to official open the Mombasa ASK Show tomorrow. As you can imagine the security presence in Mombasa has been increased ten-fold to onstensibly to protect the President.

Am not sure if the President (who is also CiC) intends to spend an extra day to meet local religious and political leaders and inform them what his government is doing to bring the killers of Rogo to book and appeal for their help in bringing peace and tranquility in the Mombasa.

The prime minister has been visiting victims at nearly ALL disaster / terrorist / militia attack zones be they in Turkana, Mombasa, Nairobi, Garissa, etc. He does not need to prove himself now and besides, he is not the CiC who you inform us is giving vague orders!

1st red highlight

it is your right to think so. insincere to who? dishonest on what? if two-faced can you paint both faces so that i identify with one?

2nd red highlight

instead of condolence message why not be part of the solution by ensuring we have an Inspector General who is in office legally and can issue non vague orders. by the way the statement is condoling who?

3rd red highlight

opening Mombasa ASK show when their are riots in parts of Mombasa is telling on a PORK that is duplicitous. what is your take?

4th red highlight

why visit victims? for choice camera shots and more madmen vitendawilis? or is it playing Coast Provincial Commissioner, Samuel Kilele style, the one who said “We cannot take a whole community to jail. Is it possible?” www.nation.co.ke/News/48+villager....n6/-/index.html

does that help? visit victims!

[phil]

Aug 28, 2012 16:00:46 GMT 3 podp said:

1st red highlight

it is your right to think so. insincere to who? dishonest on what? if two-faced can you paint both faces so that i identify with one?

2nd red highlight

instead of condolence message why not be part of the solution by ensuring we have an Inspector General who is in office legally and can issue non vague orders. by the way the statement is condoling who?

3rd red highlight

opening Mombasa ASK show when their are riots in parts of Mombasa is telling on a PORK that is duplicitous. what is your take?

4th red highlight

why visit victims? for choice camera shots and more madmen vitendawilis? or is it playing Coast Provincial Commissioner, Samuel Kilele style, the one who said “We cannot take a whole community to jail. Is it possible?” www.nation.co.ke/News/48+villager....n6/-/index.html

does that help? visit victims!

You can count up to a million red highlights but the facts are that;

A PR message is NOT a condolence message

The presence or absence of a police inspector general does not mean security organs start or stop working.

You started this exchange by saying cops are receiving vague orders thus unable to stem riots. Their boss is headed to the ground tonight, perhaps he will issue strict and forthright orders, I dont know. He is the CiC.

Again, your naked disingenuity. You first say;

Aug 28, 2012 15:01:32 GMT 3 podp said:

rather than issue PR statements from peaceful Nairobi both principals need to visit Mombasa. additionally as parliament last week worked past midnight to pass a 'friendly' integrity bill the same parliament can work past midnight to enable Kenya have a legal police chief i.e. Inspector General as spelled out in the Constitution

And when I inform you this is precisely what Raila has been doing, visiting ground zero whenever these unfortunate events occur, you now say;

Aug 28, 2012 16:00:46 GMT 3 podp said:

4th red highlight

why visit victims? for choice camera shots and more madmen vitendawilis? or is it playing Coast Provincial Commissioner, Samuel Kilele style, the one who said “We cannot take a whole community to jail. Is it possible?” www.nation.co.ke/News/48+villager....n6/-/index.html

does that help? visit victims!

It is difficult to engage with folk like you who always want to draw political faultlines in every other occurance.

I will leave it at that so as not to derail the subject matter of this thread.

[Titchaz]

Aug 28, 2012 16:23:39 GMT 3 phil said:

Again, your naked disingenuity. You first say;

And when I inform you this is precisely what Raila has been doing, visiting ground zero whenever these unfortunate events occur, you now say;

Aug 28, 2012 16:00:46 GMT 3 podp said:

4th red highlight

why visit victims? for choice camera shots and more madmen vitendawilis? or is it playing Coast Provincial Commissioner, Samuel Kilele style, the one who said “We cannot take a whole community to jail. Is it possible?” www.nation.co.ke/News/48+villager....n6/-/index.html

does that help? visit victims!

It is difficult to engage with folk like you who always want to draw political faultlines in every other occurance.

I will leave it at that so as not to derail the subject matter of this thread.

Phil,

wewe deadly bro!

[emali]

I think the escalating displays of violence & dissent we are seeing is a culmination of Kibaki’s laid back leadership approach and the weakness of the coalition government...

Drug Barons running amok, ethnic violence across the country and impunity all over every section of government...I hear Sonko is running for governor of Nairobi, I won’t be surprised if the dastardly ex-con wins!

Hope these riots are contained because this could really get ugly....and be a problem for the next two dozen years...

[furaha]

Aug 28, 2012 16:31:26 GMT 3 emali said:

[b]I think the escalating displays of violence & dissent we are seeing is a culmination of Kibaki’s laid back leadership approach and the weakness of the coalition government...

[/b]

[/quote]

I fear it is more than laid-back leadership style.... It is difficult to escape the impression of condoning or even of being in cahoots with dark forces such as drugs barons and those out to scuttle the implementation of the constitution in order to maintain power in the hands of a chosen few...

And then there is another question that imposes itself: remember the recent critical voices of Clinton, a German minister and the British High Commissioner? They focused on the elections and on the ICC cases. Would these voices be equally critical if Kenya's security came under direct threat? I am not suggesting that there is evidence of a government role in the awful assassination. I am only asking myself who might benefit from an increased international focus on Kenya's (in)stability.

Furaha

[joblesscorner]

Phil

I totally second, i also think CIC President Kibaki issuing statemetns through the PS is disingenous. I would show some leadership and visit those grounds, 3 weeks ago when there was a shooting in a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, the most powerful on the planet .... President Barack H******* OBama ;D ;D, did make a visit, to show support and that government is there for community. President Kibaki will be at show grounds, staring at the animals, asking bona hii ngombe kubafu ina......

[kamalet]

I cannot believe it that at this time in Mombasa, grenades are being used to kill people, churches are being burnt and property damaged and we sit and worry who has a better PR outfit between Kibaki and Raila??

This is no ODM or PNU at war, it is a bunch of terrorist sympathisers doing the mayhem and I would have thought when your nation is under attack you come together to defend it?

[reporter911]

Aug 28, 2012 15:34:55 GMT 3 kamalet said:

Aug 28, 2012 15:23:14 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

Oh Boy!! Angry men are roaming all over Kenya, Miguna and now Kamalet, if most Kenyans walked around angry and allowed the law of the Jungle to rule then the country would go up in flames..

very clever coming from a Kuffar!

I know NSIS guy is making Jukwaa stink!!

[Titchaz]

Aug 28, 2012 17:59:25 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

Aug 28, 2012 15:34:55 GMT 3 kamalet said:

very clever coming from a Kuffar!

I know NSIS guy is making Jukwaa stink!!

Jukwaaaaaaa!!!!.... ;D ;D ;D

[joblesscorner]

Aug 28, 2012 18:16:36 GMT 3 Titchaz said:

Aug 28, 2012 17:59:25 GMT 3 @reporter911 said:

I know NSIS guy is making Jukwaa stink!!

Jukwaaaaaaa!!!!.... ;D ;D ;D

What a low moment on Jukwaa,

[Titchaz]

Policeman dies in Kisauni grenade attack

Police officers battle riotous youth at Majengo, Mombasa August 28, 2012. Two policemen were feared dead after youth protesting the killing of fiery preacher Aboud Rogo hurled a grenade at a contingent of the officers in Kisauni

By NATION TEAM [e-mail]
Posted Tuesday, August 28 2012 at 16:43


In Summary

•Sixteen other officers rushed to hospital after suffering injuries during the latest incident at Mwandoni.


A policeman died and 13 of his colleagues were injured after a grenade was hurled at a police vehicle during protests over the killing of fiery preacher Aboud Rogo in Kisauni.

The Nation journalists counted eleven injured at Jocham Hospital where they were rushed after the attack at Mwandoni area Tuesday.

Two other officers were admitted to Coast General Hospital.

However, their colleague was pronounced dead on arrival.

The policemen were in a contingent heading to counter the marauding youth who had attacked and set ablaze Kisauni PCEA Church as the violence triggered by Monday’s killing of Al-Shabaab suspect Aboud Rogo escalated.

One of the rioters hurled a grenade at the land rover, killing the officer and injuring others.

Coast police boss Aggrey Adoli and his top officers were holed up in an afternoon meeting with the Coast Provincial Commissioner.

A police officer who talked to the Nation at Jocham Hospital said: “One policeman is dead, while two are at Coast General Hospital. The rest of the injured are here.”

“I saw the police vehicle being hit by the grenade. Two police officers fell down with blood all over. They looked dead to me,” said an eye witness.

Earlier in the day, police arrested 13 youth suspected to have been involved in the chaos around Mwembe Tanganyika and Majengo ya Musa estates.

The GSU and regular police officers were deployed around the two estates to contain the rowdy youth who lit tyres on Shariff Nassir Road disrupting transport around Majengo and King’orani area.

www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Policeman+dies+in+Kisauni+grenade+attack/-/1064/1488860/-/r7mamo/-/index.html