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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 24, 2014 21:19:57 GMT 3
Here is a September 23, 2014 email posted by Ms. Shailja Patel on the KPTJ mailing list:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 24, 2014 21:23:38 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 24, 2014 22:02:05 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 9:20:15 GMT 3
Reflections from Muthoni Wanyeki:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 10:00:54 GMT 3
Comments from Facebook:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 11:33:28 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Sept 25, 2014 12:43:43 GMT 3
Poor woman!You get groped illegally by a randy fool and instead of going to the authorities you think that cyber-activism will work for you? You now stand a massive risk of slander from the person you accused of groping you!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 14:13:22 GMT 3
Comment from Javas in the KPTJ mailing list:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 14:31:49 GMT 3
Kreemer on Kahawa Tungu:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 17:10:35 GMT 3
Rasna Warah comments:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 17:26:53 GMT 3
Shailja Patel Files a Report with the Police:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 25, 2014 17:30:56 GMT 3
Jill Cottrel Ghai:
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 25, 2014 17:43:58 GMT 3
OO,
Greetings from Blantyre. First, I am not a fan of Tony Mochama's writing. Neither his smitta smitten column on the pulse rag nor his other writings appeal to me. I know less about Shailja but the accusations that have been made here are grave. This issue therefore needs to be handled more seriously than I have seen it being handled.
On a yearly basis we are normally treated to grim statistics of women who are sexually assaulted or even raped not by strangers but by those who are known to them. The more shocking statistic is that over 80% of the cases go unreported. As Muthoni stated, the building of institutions to deal with sex crimes has been slow, but some progress has been made on that front. If indeed the sexual assault occurred with corroborating testimony from 12 or so witnesses, why has it been so hard to report the matter to the authorities?
The sexual assault allegedly happened on Saturday night, all was quiet on Sunday, the story was then reported to a police station called Twitter on Monday and the social media exploded. We have been told nothing on any measures that were taken by those who were present to address this situation. The twitter reaction is always predictable, the feminists will always act in a certain way, the macho men will also act in an equally predictable way. When I hear that "All Kenyan men are this..." I know from which quarters the comment is coming from. If on the other hand I hear that "These are the attention seeking, unmarriable......" I know the source of that comment. It is as easy as telling the political sentiment of the typical Kenyan, just look at the comment and you will be able to guess a fairly accurate surname or vice versa. In brief, the social media is the last place where you would take something in order to secure a favourable outcome.
Before I leave I would like to jog our memory on an event that took place last year. There was a by election somewhere in Kisii county, out of the blue an allegation surfaced that Jimmy Angwenyi had slapped Gladys Wanga of Homa Bay county. Twitter went into a meltdown, the self styled feminists pounced, Jimmy Angwenyi was called all manner of names and Kenyan men in general were not spared either. A few hours later, the story was confirmed to be a hoax by none other than Gladys Wanga. If it was a face saving measure from Gladys Wanga, I had an acquaintance at the said polls, no such attack took place. When the story was confirmed as a hoax, twitter went quiet. There were no apologies, none of the inflammatory comments were retracted, nothing, just silence. One cannot unsay what they have already said after all. So, while this seems to be a more solid case, it has been mishandled. I will err on the side of caution on this one and hope that the parties involved will pick this up with the relevant institutions.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 25, 2014 20:04:02 GMT 3
You will know to recognise the wink in this paraphrase. Every country gets the sexual scandal it deserves. And this one is our riot moment. It was a long time coming. First this one involves artists –-celebrated and celebrities. They are therefore, presumably proven, articulate in form and content and expressions thereof. They know the difference between truth and fiction, and therefore an event in their presence whose facts remain clouded, is by design. No, they are neither tongue-tied, nor in writer's block! (I would bet to suck my own dik on that! yawa! ) Second, it is male female –-homosexual scandals do not carry the scandalising element of entertainment a heterosexual one does. Third, the female is a poet, the man involved a prose-teller [novelist and the rest like short stories]. One is single and a free soul, the other a family man and, reportedly, mpango-wa-kandoistic. Then there is the icing on the cake. Indians have been massively around Kenya for centuries, but there is not much ''afro-Indian'' mixed-blood children to boast about in the population. We therefore have a forbidden fruit situation. A historical coyness –-wait until I desecrate the poet Marvell presently. NB: In fact the nation is still reeling from the recent scandal when an Indian girl eloped with his Muluhya sweetheart. It has been a free for all achieving mind-boggling creative tangents. cases of ''suicide'' have been reported. Let the Luos of Kisumu decode that ''suicide'' thing for you, and you will marvel at what it takes to run a caste system for centuries! And so dark forces are unleashed in the national subconscious with this scandal. Then it comes at a time when guns have been discharging at wrong places (like county assembly halls in Makueni) and the elite, clueless before two referenda, are showing ever more fearful signs of degeneration. We the people need a distraction now. And God, has not manna fallen from heaven for us the chattering classes! Let me now rape the divine English poet Andrew Marvell to mark this occasion. WHAT HAPPENED?May be now the poet has filed a statement, the definition of ''grope'' and or ''sexually molest'' will be aired, such that the offensive actual act is no longer subsumed in euphemisms which range from ''fondle breasts to finger the vagina, and to penile violation aka rape''. Given the number of clever and honourable people present on the day, the facts of the case should come out tumbling quick and thick soon enough. Unless of course these honourable people have reason to twist the truth, tell falsehoods and confuse the issue further. It was a club of artists after all, and given that the two involved people are already telling totally different versions, there could other factors more important to this club than telling the truth. Some may decide a fictionalised account is a better lesson to Kenyans than the truth. After all this is the nation which treats her monster ruler of yesterday, Arap Moi, as a god. A clever artist with Wilde's Irish sense of humour could just see the wit in feeding such lie-loving society with more lies to constipate upon. This is a tabloid tale. And tabloid tales read well tell you the true tale of your country. Neurotic artists who have become the story, and not their products, ie reality first wired through their cranial lobes of creativity aka artistic productivity. Yes, those who never read the difficult book by Wole Soyinka called THE INTERPRETERS. Now enjoy the live dramatised soap. A popular version therefore less deep, but still, a worthy rape like my short rendition of the great Andrew Marvell: TO HIS COY MISTRESS! A subconscious letter from black males to Indian girls, wholly immune to ''jungle-fever''. (I should say ebola in Africa). A GLIMPSE AT A HEALTHY ONE! WILLING DIK WILLING PUSI! Oh this miracle called Love! Timothy Khamala having a light moment with Sarika during the interview. [PHOTO: CHRISPEN SECHERE/STANDARD] Webuye, Kenya: Thereâs much to be said of the popular adage âlove conquers allâ at least for two unlikely lovebirds â Sarika Patel, 24, and Timothy Khamala, 25.
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 26, 2014 0:25:04 GMT 3
You'd be surprised at how much you can get just by asking nicely. Don't grab.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 1:48:15 GMT 3
I have this hunch that if Tony Mochama apologised to Shailja Patel, none of this would have come to light. But wapi, impunity with regards to women's bodies is something Kenyan men do all the time. They can do whatever the hell they want and yes, get away with it. Oh well, it's about time they learnt that sometimes, they have to answer for their actions. I know one who sexually assaulted a slew of women who he dismissed as "mere refugees." He got a shit load of money because the police botched up the case. They were much more interested in putting a black man in jail, than defending the rights of young black women. And then there were a bunch of Kenyan men (progressive and reactionary) defending him in and out of court. But I say karma is a jerk and he is yet to get what's coming to him. He got some grief, just not as much as he deserves. A couple of years ago, I was talking with a woman here in Toronto. I aked her if she'd heard the news coming out of Kenya. I mentioned the said man and she responded thus, " I hate that man, I hate that man." She then proceeded to tell me that he had made sexual advances to her when she went to meet him in order to retain his services. She told him that she has a mother and father and doesn't need to sleep with sleazy men to get what she needs in the world. She then left his office. She wasn't one of the women for whom he had been charged with assault. The predator didn't know that she is a lesbian and has zero use for male sexuality. That's not to say that heterosexual women should be assaulted by hetrosexual men; it's just to highlight the absurdity of assumed hetrosexuality. Besides, hetrosexual men also rape and assault lesbians. They also assault and rape children, and even animals. I wonder if the predetor will know who I'm talking about given that he'd made a habit of harrassing women. Good luck to him and lets see how he feels should (God forbid) men do the same shit to his daughters. Like I've told another punk, his woman folk aren't exempt from misogyny. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: SEXUAL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY TONY MOCHAMA UPON THE PERSON OF SHAILJA PATEL
Date: Thursday September 25 Contact: Ann Njogu, Chair, CREAW (Centre for Rights, Education and Awareness for Women) Mobile: 0722 768 381 www.creawkenya.orgOn Saturday September 20th, Standard Group journalist Mr. Tony Mochama committed an indecent act upon the person of poet and activist Shailja Patel, at a gathering in the home of Professor Wambui Mwangi in Spring Valley, Nairobi. Today at 12 noon, Ms. Patel filed a police report at Spring Valley Police Station. She was accompanied by her lawyer Ann Njogu, Chair of CREAW (Centre for Rights, Education and Awareness for Women), High Court Advocate Betty Kaari Murungi, Executive Director of COVAW Joan Nyanyuki, representatives from FIDA, and friends and supporters. Ms. Patel had previously stated that she would seek restorative community justice rather than engaging the judicial system. Following consultation with civil society colleagues and consideration of all parties involved, she decided to file a police report for the following reasons.
1) To facilitate the need for corroboration, substantiation, triangulation. 2) To support decades of work by Kenya's women's movement to improve reporting procedures for SGBV survivors. 3) To move forward policy and practice on on sexual violence in public life on the basis of evidence. 4) "The women's movement has fought hard and long for sexual violence to be treated like the crime that it is. We must uphold that struggle by being as rigorous as possible when we make our claims and the demands thereof." - Muthoni Wanyeki, Regional Director for east Africa, the Horn and the Great Lakes, Amnesty International Ms. Patel said: "Each time a man sexually harasses or assaults a woman with no consequences, he is emboldened to repeat and escalate that behaviour. It becomes a pattern. Sexual predators are not born; they are the product of patriarchies and rape cultures that teach men they are entitled to the bodies of all women. "When a man invades a woman's body space without her invitation, touches, grabs and gropes her without her consent, he violates her sovereignty of person. He evicts her from her own body. Our bodies are our first homes. If we are not safe in our bodies, we are always homeless. "Let us stand with all victims and survivors of sexual harassment and sexual assault. Let us create a society where sexual violence is unknown." creawkenya.org/ke/
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 26, 2014 5:03:20 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 26, 2014 5:07:51 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 26, 2014 5:17:08 GMT 3
Oloo Tweets Mochama:
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 26, 2014 13:09:42 GMT 3
OK Kathure,
Regarding Ann Njogu's intervention on this issue, isn't she the same one that was accused in 2012 alongside her son of assaulting her elderly father? Well, she was later acquitted of all charges. She proceeded to give her view on the entire episode and stated (I paraphrase)
1) The charges were trumped up 2) The media went on to sensationalize the issue before getting to the bottom of the matter 3) The legal institutions were a "patriarchate" (oh yes, the twin evils of patriarchy & misogyny are able to explain all the ills in the world)
All the charges were dropped, fair enough. But from the tone of her letter it is abundantly clear that she wanted to be treated as innocent unless proven otherwise because this had led to the darkest chapter of her life. The matter clearly affected her both personally and professionally, and she said as much.
Now, roughly 1.5 years later, she finds herself not as the victim but as one of the accusers. Is she giving the accused the same benefit of doubt that she wanted barely 2 years ago? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, whether it is being perpetrated by a self styled feminist or the 'patriarchal' system. But again, I wouldn't lose sleep over Ms. Njogu's shenanigans.
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Post by dineo on Sept 26, 2014 17:01:13 GMT 3
Two heroes here are Kwame Dawes and Clifton Gachagua.
When was the last time African men (who were present when the alleged crime occurred) stood up and witnessed against their molester brother? This appears to be a first, at least in my book.
Yes, Tony Mochama should 'receive a fair trial' but... seriously... whatever.
We need to hear from both Kwame and Clifton.
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Post by abdulmote on Sept 26, 2014 20:44:58 GMT 3
This whole episode appears to be like an extremely unfortunate event, which happened because human beings are, generally speaking, in my view a bunch of lunatic creatures of varying degrees.
Shailja comes across as someone who was just reacting to an episode which may have caused her some momentary embarrassment and at the same time, found herself having to respond to some pressure from some of her close mate/s. It is all about one person seeking to use another as a pawn, by exploiting as it were, an unfortunate and undesirable incident. That is the impression I am getting. I do not know these people or anything about them. I first read about Ms Patel here in Jukwaa, courtesy of Oloo.
Mochama on the other hand comes across as someone who has, perhaps, a drinking problem in the making. Trust me, every man has their weaknesses. Add alcoholic consumption as part of their acquired life style, the end result can evolve into something unpleasant.
As it happened, this guy was perhaps unstable on his feet and his mind intoxicated after a good few bottles of the brew. At that point, his corrupted faculties of thought might have betrayed his otherwise well controlled attitude when sober. He was overhanging and became excessively 'touchy' to the one woman he might have fantasized about, as a man with natural animalistic instincts an sometimes natural desires that can be difficult to control for some. He could not control his natural weakness then and became unaware of his behavior when so drunk and intoxicated as he might have been when sober.
As things stand now, Shailja must be in some sort of turmoil. Her friends putting unbearable pressure on her that she should do this and that, ultimately leaving her confused and shattered. I am inclined to think that this is not how she wanted the whole episode to evolve, her initial mode of preference made clear.
Mochama on his part, must be overwhelmed and shocked at the story unfolding. He is on a defensive mode and similarly, his friends are ramming him with all sorts of aggressive and defensive advice.
My opinion is this whole thing may not be as bad as the lynch mob is trying to fuel and portray:
To Shailja, perhaps it is time to pull back, objectively reflect on the true severity of the whole thing She should try to get some 'neutrals' who may assist her in resolving this without the intended court room drama, which the lynch mob must be eagerly waiting for in anticipation. Sometimes forgiveness can be a lot kinder to your own self than stubbornly seeking revenge in order to punish your 'enemy'. Pleasing the spectators may not necessarily work in the your own best interest, as it were. To Mochama; perhaps it is time that he should gather courage and accept that in his moment of extreme drunken weakness, he may have wronged someone in the darkness of his apparent 'madness'. He might as well also seek some neutrals who can iron this thing out and be ready to offer a good and sincere apology to his victim. To err is human, they would have written.
Equally, perhaps it may be time for Mochama to acknowledge that he may be heading towards deeper personal problem and a path guaranteed to eventually destroy his otherwise good soul.
Otish, wewe umepotea wapi? Salaams,
Kamale, you have been in my mind and it is nice to hear you again in Jukwaa.
Kathuree, yours was a giveaway! Human beings can be sad, irrespective of their other potentials and status in life.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 27, 2014 9:41:56 GMT 3
Mochama must by now know who his friends are....he must have thought that poetry and activism of the "evil society" can mix as some of the characters can be found in both camps. Unfortunately Mochama belongs to the writing group, loves his tipple and likes to tell about it.
On the night in question he concedes having had quite a bit as he had " to be helped to the car" and even adds that his female colleague helping him to the car "swears hearing Shalja asking Mochama to back off as people were doing their good bye hugs". Taken at face value it would appear that there was hugging going onas people said goodbye and Shalja objected to hugging Mochama who was too drunk to know he was being stupid!
That is Mochama's version that is public. We must wait and hear what the Shalja version isn't - but for now the fury of the activists would suggest that Mochama is guilty of something worse than trying to pull down Shalja's knickers. Shalja has gone to the police under duress. There are many it would appear have a score to settle with Mochama.
Unfortunately at the end of all this, two people will have been left hurt, and it certainly is not anyone of us commentators to this incident.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 27, 2014 12:18:18 GMT 3
Mochama must by now know who his friends are....he must have thought that poetry and activism of the "evil society" can mix as some of the characters can be found in both camps. Unfortunately Mochama belongs to the writing group, loves his tipple and likes to tell about it. On the night in question he concedes having had quite a bit as he had " to be helped to the car" and even adds that his female colleague helping him to the car "swears hearing Shalja asking Mochama to back off as people were doing their good bye hugs". Taken at face value it would appear that there was hugging going onas people said goodbye and Shalja objected to hugging Mochama who was too drunk to know he was being stupid! That is Mochama's version that is public. We must wait and hear what the Shalja version isn't - but for now the fury of the activists would suggest that Mochama is guilty of something worse than trying to pull down Shalja's knickers. Shalja has gone to the police under duress. There are many it would appear have a score to settle with Mochama. Unfortunately at the end of all this, two people will have been left hurt, and it certainly is not anyone of us commentators to this incident. Kamalet, ...he must have thought that poetry and activism of the "evil society" can mix as some of the characters can be found in both camps. Unfortunately Mochama belongs to the writing group, loves his tipple and likes to tell about it....your wild ''rascallian'' hairs are very long I can see. In the main, without this your Miguna-like habitual urge to throw grenades at a particular object (the ''caliph of Nyanza'' in Miguna's case, the ''evil society'' in yours), I think you agree with Abdulmote. There is a drink problem here. I would think, the best friends of Mochana have already let him down. They have been spectating his slow degeneration into a common drunk. I know coz I have true friends who have helped avoid the fate: easy: they say: I will keep the company of a succinct and articulate fella, producing and expressing consumbale thought. You get drunk you are a bum, and bums are a gutter breed where they belong. Mochana needs a friend to tell him straight. You are not an artist when we have to help you to your feet to your car. You are merely an alcoholic wreck. You need rehab. ASAP. The poet Patel now may have to withdraw the case. A totally inebriated pest --as B6k no doubt would declare, can hardly be responsible for his actions. Clever writer he may be when sober, but the depersonalisation of drink renders him more in need of a rehab-clinic than a jail cell where they will rape his ass to bits, and totally wreck his mind. destroying another artist! Unless ... remembering a french writer who used to ''sell his mouth'' in prison for cigarettes, Toni really is living art, such that fiction and reality is all the same! (a suicidal pact with art!].
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Post by dineo on Sept 27, 2014 16:13:51 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, "A totally inebriated pest --as B6k no doubt would declare, can hardly be responsible for his actions."You mean like drunk drivers who mow down pedestrians?? Or drunk men who rape women or children?? Why are you people downplaying (excusing) Mochama's behaviour? And whether or not Shailja was "pressured" into filing a case with the police is irrelevant. The way you people are talking, she's a 'nice girl who excused Mochama's picadillo until those evil civil society types twisted her arms and 'forced' her to report the incident. All hogwash. Any woman that has been sexually harassed or abused first has to go through the embarrassment and self-loathing that come with the incident. Who knows where Shailja's mind was immediately after the incident? Who knows how she was feeling other than herself?? I commend her for going to the police and sympathise with her for what she has gone through. She is in my prayers. It's so interesting when men such as yourselves start 'analysing' the sexual predator acts of your fellow brethren and then start claiming to know how the woman - the victim - feels. As for Mochama vis a vis these civil society types, I am not coming to his defense but I believe that the manner in which he has been attacked by some of them - if not all - is highly tainted by Classism. Anyone with a brain can see that he is not a part of their 'class'. Anyone who knows that group of writers, poets and 'concerned' individuals knows that they are a bunch of classist fools for the most part. Fools with some talent. Mochama has a looooooooong history of misogyny, of sexual harassment, of just outright BS against women. If he did this - and I believe he did - he should fry.
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