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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 19:26:54 GMT 3
Take an example of the K.C.S.E. exams where the markers are unknown to the examined ( candidates) and use of a strict marking scheme with the marking center being far away from the reach of the candidates and include the fact that the marking is done at a different time, long after the examination sitting .This is the scenario we have with G.E. and polling centers. It will be practically impossible to explain to the marker that one answered a question in the wrong place . Imagine if this was to happen to majority of the exam candidates having answered questions in the wrong designated spaces, it would just lead to chaos and it is for this reason why there are rules , instructions or guidelines to have an effective and efficient process be it examination or electoral . , True, but I think exam is not the best analogy. The thing is that election is not like an exam ... its is about expressing voters' opinions. Voters are not being test "fail" or "pass". That is why there is voting assistance, including how to fill the ballots and where to drop the filled ballot. Now, the same effort that could have corrected a voter who was about to place the ballot in the wrong box could help in correctly placing the ballot after it is incorrectly placed ... but IEBC cannot read voters minds when the ballot is incorrectly filled. Let's think about the mail system. If you erroneosly put your domestic letter through the slot where overseas mail is supposed to be dropped, are you really of the mind that the letter should not reach its destination because you seem to suggest it should go overseas even though you have correctly put a valid domestic address? I believe if correctly filled ballots are not counted a candidate who imagines that incorrectly placed ballots would make a favourable difference will definitely successfully challenge the result. I think it would be linient to the system to avoid unnecessary challenges by making the most rational decision in the first instance. Agreed exams and elections are different processes but as earlier stated this was just but an example On voting assistance this should be provided during the voting and not after the voting else this can create room for malpractices and thus lead to rigging . To give credit where its due the Officials were their aiding and helping any person who asked for assistance and if the assistance asked for was to show where one needs to ballot the different papers in the different colored boxes this was provided. If we are to learn from this years General elections then its either we as nation we need to up civic education and this should not be left to IEBC only every sector should play its role from the media , political parties and also you and I or conduct the Presidential elections away from the other elections i.e. senator , Governor e.t.c. as most complaints on rejected voters are being attributed to the Presidential elections . Once again to answer Abdulmotes question which started this conversation is it all boils down to guidelines , rules and instructions which were provided by IEBC on the voting to the voters and officials and what could make a vote being categorized as a " rejected vote " |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 18:11:49 GMT 3
Then it boils down to rules or guidelines issued out to the electorate and the IEBC officials on the voting and what could lead to a vote being categorized as "Rejected vote " You had previously requested for explanation on logic behind rejecting ballot papers that have been cast in wrong colored boxes In simple layman type of an example , likewise in any examinations there are different type of questions which require different type of answers in different designated spaces,answer papers or boxes etc In a scenario you answer a question in a designated space for a different question will the answer carry any marks ? therein you have your answer. , That anology is not fitting though. In the case you present, an answer to a given question will be wrong if given under a different question. However, if you realize that you answered a question in the wrong space, and give the teacher a note that the answer applies to Qsn x rather than y, a reasonable teacher should examine the answer. I am with Abdulmote on the matter: in other words I distinguish between an ambiguous response on a ballot paper (one in which you cannot tell with certainty who the voter intended to vote for), and erroneous placement of the paper. Just like post offices sort and redirect misrouted mail, IEBC should reroute misplaced but correctly filled ballots. Of course such will mess with wierd expressions like the one RR expresses. I think only one person would be adversely affected in the entire country though! Take an example of the K.C.S.E. exams where the markers are unknown to the examined ( candidates) and use of a strict marking scheme with the marking center being far away from the reach of the candidates and include the fact that the marking is done at a different time, long after the examination sitting .This is the scenario we have with G.E. and polling centers. It will be practically impossible to explain to the marker that one answered a question in the wrong place . Imagine if this was to happen to majority of the exam candidates having answered questions in the wrong designated spaces, it would just lead to chaos and it is for this reason why there are rules , instructions or guidelines to have an effective and efficient process be it examination or electoral . |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 17:39:03 GMT 3
The logic is this: the vote is not valid. It has been cast but it is not valid since it is not decipherable what the voter intended. They have all been counted and tallied as required by Katiba. RR, Katiba issue aside, once a ballot paper has been correctly marked by the voter, by appropriately choosing their preferred candidate, using appropriate paper, then there should be nothing else that needs to be "deciphered". The voter's intention would have been obvious at that stage. Putting the paper into any specific box should only be a matter of convenience towards the final sorting and counting and has nothing to do with the voter's choice. I still don't get it. Then it boils down to rules or guidelines issued out to the electorate and the IEBC officials on the voting and what could lead to a vote being categorized as "Rejected vote " You had previously requested for explanation on logic behind rejecting ballot papers that have been cast in wrong colored boxes In simple layman type of an example , likewise in any examinations there are different type of questions which require different type of answers in different designated spaces,answer papers or boxes etc In a scenario you answer a question in a designated space for a different question will the answer carry any marks ? therein you have your answer. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 15:18:49 GMT 3
Phil Nothing new you are telling us. We always knew that the electronic figures were provisional until the signed off results were received at the national tallying centre and released by the commission. Only two constituencies have been announced.....so what huge difference is being given? I am for a fair result and will take it as announced by the IEBC....question is will you?? I will accept just, free and fair result. Right now tallying tells me Raila 50% and Uhuru 45%, that is from the official manual tallying already received. Now did someone say Kajiado County is a TNA zone? You can proceed and believe the ghost figures you are seeing on TV, and as RR tells you IEBC systems were actually hacked and compromised by known individuals thus the decision to shift to manual. Phil the fact is in Kajiado County with the results of two constituencies announced the following are the results , for a moment Phil lets stop wishful thinking ,where does it indicate Raila is leading in Kajiado Constituency ? elections.nation.co.ke/news/-/1631868/1712792/-/oshxpaz/-/index.html13:45 Kenyatta (39,698) leads Raila (38,679) in final results released by IEBC from Kajiado South, Kajiado Central and Diaspora constituencies. 13:25 Kajiado Central presidential results: Odinga 19,955, Kenyatta 14,747, Kiyiapi 691, Kenneth 639, Mudavadi 110, Dida 65, Karua 43, Muite 9. 13:20 Kajiado South presidential results: Kenyatta 24,000, Odinga 17,500, Kiyiapi 186, Kenneth 127, Mudavadi 106, Karua 44, Dida 14, Muite 9. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 12:24:42 GMT 3
Results below as at 1000 Hrs 06-Mar-2013 by Standard newspaper
Party No Of Seats
APK - 2
Ford K - 3
FPK - 1
KANU - 1
KNC - 1
MDP - 1
NARC - 2
NKF - 1
ODM - 34
SPK - 1
TNA - 20
UDF - 8
URP - 28
Wiper - 7
Here are the provisional results for Members of the National Assembly per constituency following Monday's General Election. The list will be updated as the results continue to trickle in.
Members of Parliament results
1. Emgwen constituency - Alex Kosgey, URP,
2. Bomet West - Bernard Bett Kipkirui, URP, 32,688
3. Rongo - Dalmas Otieno, ODM, 18,994
4. Mwingi West - Benard Kitunge, Wiper-Democratic Party
5. Mwingi North - John Munuve,Wiper, Wiper-Democratic Party
6. Mwingi Central -John Mutambu,-Wiper-Democratic Party
7. Kitui South - Rachael Nyamai- Narc,
8. Kitui Rural- Charles Nyamai, Wiper
9. Seme- James Nyikal, ODM
10. Kimilili - Suleiman Kasuti Murunga -Ford-K
11. Sigowet -Justice Kipsang Kemei- URP
12. Belgut -Eric Keter – URP
13. Lukuyani - Enock Wamalwa - ODM
14. Nyando -Fredrick Otieno- ODM, 24,558
15. Keiyo North - James Murgor – URP, 20,368
16. Ainabkoi - Samuel Chepkonga- URP, 22,328
17. Kipipiri - Samuel Gisigi, APK, 18,958
18. Tiaty - Asman Kamama –, URP, 7,752
19. Othaya - Mary Wambui, TNA, 16,285
20. Suna East- Junet Noor Mohamed, ODM, 18523
21. Emuhaya, Wilberforce Otichilo, ODM, 15,157
22. Kabondo Kasipul, Osele Onyango Silvance, ODM, 20,873
23. Homa Bay Town - George Kaluma, ODM, 20, 865
24. Baringo Central - Sammy Mwaita, URP, 8,355
25. Kipkelion - Jackson Rop – URP, 24, 132
26. Igembe Central - Cyprin Kubai -ODM, 16,963
27. Eldas- Adan Keynan - ODM, 6, 623
28. Kajiado South, Juda Katoo, ODM, 24,729
29. Kabete- George Mukuru Muchai, TNA, 28, 860
30. Igembe North- Ntoitha Mithiaru, TNA, 13, 830
31. Emuria Dikirr- Johana Kipyegon Ngeno- KNC, 17627
32. Matungu - David Were, NKF, 13427
33. Samburu West, Jonathan Lelit, URP, 10, 626
34. Mumias West - Naicca Johnston Manya - ODM, 18,932
35. Mumias East- Benjamin Washiali, UDF, 19, 033
36. Saku- Dido Ali Rasso, URP,
37. Kesses - James Kimaru Bett, URP,
38. Suba James -Mbadi, ODM, 27,960
39. Lugari- Ayub Savula, UDF, 17658 votes
40. Wajir East - Abas Sheikh Mohamed, URP, 7805
41. Mathioya - Clement Wambugu, TNA, 20,034
42. Ikolomani- Shinali Benard, UDF, 16, 139
43. Wajir East - Abas Sheikh Mohamed, URP, 78,05
44. Samburu East -Raphael Letimalo, TNA, 6,474
45. Bomachoge Borabu - Joel Onyancha, TNA, 11,198
46. Gem - Jakoyo Midiwo, 31, 972
47. Kajiado East- Terris Tobiko, TNA, 23, 381
48. Eldama Ravine - Moses Lessonnet, URP, 23363
49. Sotik- Joyce Laboso -URP, 42,833
50. Baringo South - Grace Kipchoim, URP, 8, 169
51. Samburu East - Raphael Letimalo, TNA, 6,474
52. Laikipia North- Mathew Lempukel, ODM 7267
53. Mwatate - Andrew Mwadime, ODM , 8006
54. Wundanyi - Thomas Lubindi, ODM, 7459
55. Imenti - Mwiti Gideon, APK, 16,605
56. Alego Usonga - George Omondi Muluany, WDM-K, 3, 4225
57. Kathuri Murungi, TNA, Wins South Imenti MP seat, 21149
58. Ayub Savula, UDF, Wins Lugari MP seat, 17658
59. Awendo - Jared Opiyo, FORD-K, 155043
60. Fafi - Elias Barreshill, URP, 6404
61. Shinyalu - Silvester Lisamula, UDF, 15102
62. Kandara - Alice Wahome, TNA, 52, 810
63. Likuyani - Enock Kibunguchi, ODM- 2, 616
64. Malava- Moses Malulu, MDP, 17597
65. Butere, -Andrew Toboso Anyango, ODM,20217
66. Maragwa -Peter Kamande, TNA, 52631
67. Tarbaj -Mohamed Ibrahim Elmi, ODM, 6370
68. Kigumo - Jamleck Kamau, TNA, 41983
69. Endebes-- Robert Bukofe, URP, 11087
70. North Mugirango- Charles Geni Makuti, ODM, 16544
71. Joshua Aduma, ODM, MP,, 32962
72. Nyakach Kisumu Central - Ken Obura, ODM, 48199
73. Bomet Central - Ronald Tanui, URP, 29411
74. Kisumu East -Shakir Shabir, ODM, 38981
75. Bondo - Gideon Ochanda –ODM – 42,727
76. Maara - Kareke Mbiuki, TNA, 35780
77. Bonchari - Oroo Oyieko, KANU, 9,007
78. Kitui Rural - Charles Mutisya, WDM-K, 13789
79. Daadab -Mohamed Dahir Duale, 8500
80. Tongaren - Simiyu Eseli, FORD-K, , 21539
81. Luanda - Chris Omulele, ODM, 8697
82. Samburu North - Musa Lentoimaga, TNA, 6441
83. Vihiga - Yusuf Chanzu, UDF,14053
84. Butula - Michael Aringo Onyura, SPK, 12,325
85. Tinderet - Meli Julius Kibiwott, URP, , 24250
86. Msambweni - Suleiman Dori, ODM, 8794
87. .Mukurweini - Kabando wa Kabando, TNA, 15,454
88. Kajiado Central - Joseph Nkaiseri, ODM, 16, 986
89. Mathira - Peter Weru Kinywa, NARC, 30, 308
90. Kajiado West - Moses Sakuda, TNA, 21832
91. Bondo - Gideon Ochada, ODM, 42727
92. Hamisi - Charles Gimose, FPK, 13, 037
93. South Mugirango - Manson Nyamweya, ODM, 25173 vote
94. Teso South- Mary Emaase, URP, 14240 votes
95. .Lurambi -: Raphael Otaalo, ODM, 18,999 votes
96. Joseph Ngugu Nyumu, TNA, Wins Gatundu South MP, 33587
97. Laari Joseph Mburu Kaangara, - -TNA,, 46249 votes
98. Kilome -Regina Ndambuki, WDM-K, 15241 votes
99. West Mugirango- James Ondicho Gesami, ODM, 17, 028
100. Taveta - Naomi Shaban, TNA, 6360
101. Kilgoris Gideon Konchella, URP, 24023
102. Voi - Jones Mlolwa, ODM, 12, 857
103. Keiyo South - Jackson Kiplagat Kiptanue, URP, 27, 168 104. Embakasi East-John Ogutu Omondi ODM , 36,308
105. Moyale – Rumba Duba – UDF 12,497
106. Navakholo – Immanuel Wangwe – UDF – 10,246
107. Limuru – John Chege Kiragu – TNA 41,532
108. Marakwet West – William Kisang – URP – 22,457
109. Narok South – Korei Lemeni –URP -25692
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 5, 2013 23:01:27 GMT 3
www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/iebc-chairman-addresses-fears-of-result.htmlTuesday, the 5th of March 2013 - The Chairman of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) Issack Hassan has moved quickly to allay fears after the commission’s provisional results system appeared to be stuck for several hours even as Kenyans eagerly await news of how the various candidates are performing especially in the Presidential race. In a media briefing at the Bomas tallying centre a few minutes ago, Hassan admitted the delays but said that the commission would be releasing official results from tomorrow once the various returning arrive in Nairobi; “These provisional results were meant to show the country where the results were being declared from. We had aimed for a near 100 percent perfection but we have experienced challenges in the last day,” he said. “The good thing is that Returning Officers will be coming to present the official results for presidential elections, which shall be read here,” he added. Hassan also revealed that each of the IEBC commissioners would, starting tomorrow, be reading the official results of the various polling stations and regions under their supervision. The IEBC Chairman also dismissed reports that have been doing the rounds on the internet that the IEBC has lost data after its main server crashed earlier today and had no way to retrieve it. “The commission is aware of these delays and that they are giving rise to different speculations and rumours that the server of the commission has crashed and I want to assure you that this is not true,” he asserted. The provisional results so far give the Jubilee alliance flag bearer Uhuru Kenyatta the lead with 53% of the votes counted so far while CORD’s Raila Odinga comes a close second with 42%. More updates to follow.
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