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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 17:15:45 GMT 3
The LUO Council of Elders congratulates UHURU / RUTO and says RAILA is obsessed with POWER Monday March 11, 2013 - News just in indicates that Luo Council of Elders and Luo professionals have congratulated President–elect Uhuru Kenyatta for winning the last Monday’s poll. In a statement read by Party of Action (POA) party leader Minister Raphael Tuju, the elders who had gathered at a Nairobi hotel, said they have confidence that Uhuru Kenyatta will deliver the country from dogmas of corruption and tribalism which have ruined the country for the past 50 years. Tuju said Kenyans have spoken and any leader (referring to Raila), who is challenging the outcome, must be a leader who is obsessed with leadership which Kenyans have denied him chance. “Kenyans spoke last Monday in a free and fair poll. In any election there must be a winner and a loser, Kenyans have decided to move forward,” Tuju said. He also thanked the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) for conducting a free and fair election, thanking the officials for the job well done. Among those who attended the meeting is former Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s adviser Miguna Miguna. www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/the-luo-council-of-elders-congratulates.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 17:06:30 GMT 3
Re: Kalonzo: Is this man delivering?? « Reply #1 on Feb 28, 2013, 4:53pm » There have been widespread rumours that Kambas are not supportive of CORD and I have been ignoring these as Jubilee Propaganda. Then there was talk of Kalonzo doing a last minute Melon change which he was forced to deny in Garissa. But I have just watched the 4 o'clock news and they were covering the political push in Kitui and it was very strange how the public interviewed were responding: 1st Respondent: Huku tunachagua watu si chama 2nd Respondent: Hapa tutachagua Musila na (wiper guy) and he stopped there 3rd Respondent: Hii ni ngome ya jubilee Curiously no one is talking about the top seat and I wondered then if the 'muthoniwa' story is true. Perhaps I should dismiss this story having been pushed by NTV which some people here believe is the 'other' mouthpiece of Jubilee. But all I can say was that I was really surprised by the public reactions in Kitui! Folks, I am in Machakos and the place is fully CORDED! I can tell you Alfred Mutua is already the new governor hapa na kura za Raila are overflowing. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8017#ixzz2NEwMcSvP
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 16:58:56 GMT 3
Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila « Reply #27 on Feb 27, 2013, 10:35am Up to this moment, KASS FM are buying time. They have not aired that Arap Sang clip that is spreading like wildfire through social media to Kalenjin Counties and the rest of the country. Uhuru and Ruto are now unmasked by a fellow ICC indictee. True Phil, Even the Hard-copy of the Standard ignored this story. They ran the web copy but it did not see the printing press partly because the message had not been played yet and that it came for the PMPS. I don't think anything will change the Kalenjin's mind. they're a gone case and CORD should forget about their votes. There's no need for these excitements here. Lots of wishful thinkers are wasting their time here. Uhuru calculated his moves well and he'll get the Kalenjin backing to the last man. Ruto had no option but to play second feedle because his lawyers insisted he had to be on the ballot to have any chance of throwing the spanner into the works at the ICC. He then cleverly convinced his folks to back Ouru when Raila was busy dining with Kibaki trying to please the white man. That's the bitter truth that most folks here will not want to hear. No need to cheat yourself here that Kichwa cha Ralila na mwili ni Ruto. no need. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8002&page=2#ixzz2NEuB7an0Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila « Reply #29 on Feb 27, 2013, 11:14am » True Phil, Even the Hard-copy of the Standard ignored this story. They ran the web copy but it did not see the printing press partly because the message had not been played yet and that it came for the PMPS. I don't think anything will change the Kalenjin's mind. they're a gone case and CORD should forget about their votes. There's no need for these excitements here. Lots of wishful thinkers are wasting their time here. Uhuru calculated his moves well and he'll get the Kalenjin backing to the last man. Ruto had no option but to play second feedle because his lawyers insisted he had to be on the ballot to have any chance of throwing the spanner into the works at the ICC. He then cleverly convinced his folks to back Ouru when Raila was busy dining with Kibaki trying to please the white man. That's the bitter truth that most folks here will not want to hear. No need to cheat yourself here that Kichwa cha Ralila na mwili ni Ruto. no need. One thing for sure is that the Lower Eastern voters aka Makueni , Machakos and Kitui Counties will vote Raila to the last man not because they like him or they like his policies No because they think they will get the Deputy Presidential post same reason why the people of Riftvalley will vote for Uhuru to the last man now also add to the fact that Raila betrayed them and their leaders. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8002&page=2#ixzz2NEuoSUmT
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 16:45:38 GMT 3
Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila « Reply #3 on Feb 26, 2013, 2:22pm » Guys , This is now becoming desperate Sang is not a politician nor a political player and doesnt have command over the Riftvalley electorate and thus cannot influence any voting patern in that region.Heck If former President Moi tried and failed in 2007 and is failing as we speak what about Sang? . CORD/ODM tried to use Henry Kosgey (a seasoned politician ) and Sally Kosgei () but it did not bore fruits and actually both of them are in their political death beds and for this reason they are listed as party nominees back to parliament as its evident they wont make it back during the elections ,same with Franklin Bett he had to actually give up politics not to mention the various Mps and politicians who defected from ODM to URP aka the Labosos and Beatrice Kones. Sang goes ahead and says that only a non Kalenjin or non Kikuyu President will bring peace in RIftvalley, this is misguided as we have witnessed ourselves that the political partnership between the two communities in the last 5 years or so has averted violence and displacements which were a routine thing especially during the electioneering period since the introduction of multi-partysim . What now needs to be looked at are long-term solutions to make sure the peace in that region is long lasting with land issue being a major player and the Jubilee coalition under its manifesto has solutions to the land issue and once the land issue is resolved it will never be used by politicians to incite wananchi to fight each other as we witnessed in 2007. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8002#ixzz2NEr7U7K7Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila « Reply #15 on Feb 26, 2013, 6:12pm » Here are some random, possibly even useless ramblings gathered from the streets of Nairobi earlier this February 26th afternoon:I was hanging out around Kimathi Street near the statue. I suddenly saw one of my activist friends, Ms. Flora K, who emanates from the Meru region. I casually mentioned the Sang breaking story. She told me she had just come back to Nairobi from somewhere in the former Rift Valley Province where she is a frequent visitor. She asked me, " Do you know what our sisters and brothers from the region are saying?"I shook my head, befuddled. They are saying, "Kichwa ni ya baba, mwili ni URP".[The head is for the father, the body belongs to URP."]What does that mean, I persisted. It is a coded way of saying, URP will sweep the Governor, Senator, National Assembly, Women Rep and Ward Rep slots. But they are voting in Raila Odinga as the fourth President.Flora, by the way, is a die hard, hard core CORD flag waver. Make of the above what you will. Onyango Oloo Hahahaaa OO, whats your take on that? Did you buy the story? This is a campaign strategy that CORD has tried to adopt after it became very clear to them URP has left no space for anyone, not even KANU. Unfortunately for them, it is not flying. You see, the problem in RV is not ODM or CORD, NO. It is Raila Odinga the man, full stop. No one trusts him, no one wants to repeat the mistake of 07. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8002&page=2#ixzz2NEstuauB Re: Sang Dumps Ruto for Raila « Reply #14 on Feb 26, 2013, 6:09pm » Here are some random, possibly even useless ramblings gathered from the streets of Nairobi earlier this February 26th afternoon:I was hanging out around Kimathi Street near the statue. I suddenly saw one of my activist friends, Ms. Flora K, who emanates from the Meru region. I casually mentioned the Sang breaking story. She told me she had just come back to Nairobi from somewhere in the former Rift Valley Province where she is a frequent visitor. She asked me, " Do you know what our sisters and brothers from the region are saying?"I shook my head, befuddled. They are saying, "Kichwa ni ya baba, mwili ni URP".[The head is for the father, the body belongs to URP."]What does that mean, I persisted. It is a coded way of saying, URP will sweep the Governor, Senator, National Assembly, Women Rep and Ward Rep slots. But they are voting in Raila Odinga as the fourth President.Flora, by the way, is a die hard, hard core CORD flag waver. Make of the above what you will. Onyango Oloo Oloo, This is a propaganda which has been peddled for a minute now . I heard it here in Nairobi in a local pub once the Jubilee alliance was unveiled. It was being peddled by an ODM supporter who does not come from Riftvalley region but boasts of frequently visiting that area , this is what he had to say "Wanasema - Miguu mpaka shingo ni URP lakini kichwa watafikiria na Kichwa " Met him on the same spot once again a couple days ago and asked him on any update of R-valley politics this is what he had to say -Nimechoka nahizi siasa tungojee tarehe tano -I assented with him and tossed for Mar 04 .Likewise I hope we will all be jubilant when results start trickling in . Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8002#ixzz2NErwYYOS
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 16:04:46 GMT 3
Re: TNA/URP Coalition: When Desperation Sets In « Reply #10 on Dec 5, 2012, 12:33am » ;D ;D mwalimumtukutu after today's developments better go back to teacher training college. It is typical of you to mistake wishful thinking for analysis. Nereah, Mugabe or is it Nereah? If you had been faithfully following jukwaa you could have already known that I have dismissed the cord coalition as a coalition of free loaders with nothing that would pull Raila from the hole that he dug himself in. Watch this space. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7613#ixzz2NEgT589Q Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012 « Thread Started on Sept 14, 2010, 4:29pm » Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012 By MAKAU MUTUA Posted Saturday, September 11 2010 at 11:47 In Summary
Votepower: Mr Ruto knows that he sits atop a treasure trove of Kalenjin votes
The Kenyan state does not do well without a “villain”. The colonialists had Dedan Kimathi. Mzee Jomo Kenyatta was dogged by J.M. Kariuki and Jaramogi Oginga Odinga. President Daniel arap Moi was harassed by many opponents among them Raila Odinga, Paul Muite, Willy Mutunga, and an army of Young Turks. President Mwai Kibaki had to contend with Mr Odinga until the Constitution brought them together. But Mr Odinga, the long-term opposition doyen, is now an “insider”.My crystal ball tells me that Higher Education minister William Ruto is Kenya’s next “villain”. He is the next anti-Raila “Raila”. Give the devil his due. Except Mr Odinga and Githugu MP Martha Karua, none of those seeking the presidency has more guts than Mr Ruto. He may have an edge over the other two. He is cold-hearted and utterly sure of himself. Unlike Mr Odinga and Ms Karua, Mr Ruto cannot be accused of being a democrat. He has spent his adult life subverting the democratic project. But he cloaks himself in the language of democracy better than any of his opponents. He has more oomph than Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta. He will be a major player in 2012. The run for State House is not for the faint-hearted, or the weak-kneed. One must have a killer’s instinct. Or, like President Kibaki and Nikita Khrushchev, the late Soviet leader, be supremely cunning. Unlike his competitors, Mr Ruto is both cunning and ruthless. He is a rare combination of Mr Kibaki and Mr Khrushchev. It helps to be a spiritual or religious zealot. Mr Khrushchev was a sworn atheist, while Mr Kibaki is a devout Catholic. Mr Ruto is a religious Christian fundamentalist, a faith he shares with Mr Musyoka. But unlike Mr Musyoka, Mr Ruto treats religion as his servant, not master. Everything starts and ends with Mr Ruto. He is totally self-absorbed. Mr Ruto is the alpha and omega of his universe. This dedication to self -- the “I, me, and myself” philosophy -- is the hallmark of highly successful politicians. It is the “it” that separates mere mortals from the “also-rans”. I have concluded that Mr Ruto possesses the “it”. I had been reluctant to do so because Mr Ruto is obnoxious. Even when he makes a brilliant point, I want to disagree with him because of the smirk on his face. He is not endearing. Nor is he cuddly. But by dint of sheer persistence, he has developed a cult following. There are “Ruto-nuts” – fanatics – who would do anything for the man. Only Mr Odinga outranks him in the number of Kenyans who would follow him off a cliff.My point is that Mr Ruto is not of the “middling” sort. He has a messianic complex born of service to self and to Jesus. He can go toe to toe, mano-a-mano, with the best of them. He politically vanquished former President Daniel arap Moi and forced the former head of state to follow him among the Kalenjin. That was a tall order given Mr Moi’s lore among the Kalenjin and his enormous wealth. This was an amazing feat by Mr Ruto when you consider that the entire Kalenjin elite – including himself – are Mr Moi’s handiwork. Without Mr Moi, the entire Kalenjin elite would not exist. But Mr Ruto bid his time and, like a cobra, struck Mr Moi at the right time. He exploited Mr Moi’s coziness to President Kibaki and the Kikuyu elite to discredit him among the Kalenjin. In 2007, Mr Ruto saw his opening and threw his weight behind Mr Odinga and ODM. This is how he “politically finished” Mr Moi and his sons. No sooner had Mr Ruto buried Mr Moi than he turned his sword on Mr Odinga.He knows that he sits comfortably atop a treasure trove of Kalenjin votes. Mr Ruto believes that it was Kalenjin votes and blood that brought Mr Odinga within a whisker of State House. But Mr Odinga is having none of it, and has called Mr Ruto’s bluff. Not to be outflanked, Mr Ruto has courted Mr Musyoka and Mr Kenyatta to form the KKK alliance. Given Kenya’s tribal arithmetic, Mr Ruto believes that one of the KKK trio – and not Mr Odinga – will end up in State House in 2012. Is Mr Ruto right, or is he hallucinating? I do not believe that Mr Ruto is completely in “la la” land. We know that a solid KKK bloc would be nearly impossible to beat at the polls. The only question is who the bloc’s flag bearer would be. Mr Kenyatta is out because a Kikuyu is not going to sell in 2012. This pits Mr Musyoka against Mr Ruto. Of the two, I like Mr Ruto’s chances. This is why. Mr Ruto is more likely to cut a deal with Mr Kenyatta as his running mate because of the size of the Kikuyu vote. Mr Ruto can promise the Kikuyu peace in the Rift Valley if Mr Kenyatta backs him. Both he and Mr Kenyatta may find solidarity because Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, may come calling. Misery loves company. Mr Musyoka is going to be the odd man out. He could join the Ruto-Kenyatta bandwagon, go it alone, or go back to Mr Odinga. Mr Ruto played kingmaker to Mr Odinga in 2007. But he did so with an eye for the top seat, not to become a perpetual kingmaker. That’s why he may go for the whole kit and caboodle in 2012. Makau Mutua is Dean and SUNY Distinguished Professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo Law School and Chair of the KHRC Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4475#ixzz2NEjinm3dRe: Why Ruto will be a major player in 2012 « Reply #2 on Sept 14, 2010, 6:42pm » Phil,People follow power or the illusion of power. Moi didn't have it in 2002 as he was stepping down and 2007 as he was a has-been. Ruto had it in 2007 by following Raila and he has it now with the promise of running for PORK in 2012. They'll follow him, don't worry. You say, "BRING IT ON." I say, "Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it." 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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 15:32:51 GMT 3
The Ruto Factor. « Thread Started on Dec 6, 2012, 7:58pm » When Raila and Ruto fell apart, I was demonized because I said Ruto would hold the key to the presidency. My then conviction led me to be sent to Siberia, left in the cold. Now, the facts on the ground stand a testimony to my belief. The elections are sigh, and things are shaping up, it is only fair I lay across my premonitions on this man, Ruto. Many seem to squarely focus on the ICC trial, I fear the fact that Ruto is a suspect has clouded their vision of him. Instead, I acknowledge he is a suspect, and if found guilty, he may not be able to the witness many sunsets in Rift Valley. But, that is a bridge to cross at that time, not now. Having removed the ICC trials lens, I must analysis the significance Ruto brings to the elections. Raila, Musyoka have, in vain, all courted Ruto – only for Uhuru to succeed. The two underscore how Ruto’s emerging image as the kingmaker in next year’s elections, by virtue of his popularity in the populous Rift Valley, is shaping the presidential campaigns. It will certainly be two horses – that is clear, but the horse with the highest number at the moment seem to be TNA/URP. The last census ranked the Kalenjin — a conglomeration of 11 ethnic groups — as Kenya’s third largest community after the Kikuyu and the Luhya. However, in terms of voting patterns, the Kalenjin are the second biggest constituency after the Kikuyu. Look at the 2007 figures and you will see a region, which a serious presidential candidate will ignore at his or her own peril. Raila knows that the Kalenjin contributed about 1.5 million votes to his presidential bid in 2007. Ruto is particularly emboldened by these numbers, as has laid out an ambitious plan to bag a majority of parliamentary seats in the coming election. And with the approval of new boundaries, the region will have 75 elected MPs, up from the current 49. Members of Ruto’s community occupy most of these constituencies. The strategy is for Ruto to first consolidate the Kalenjin Rift Valley vote and then reach out to the small communities mostly pastoralists. It is on that basis, that you see Ruto surrounding himself with a Somali, Turkana and Maasai leaders. it is not for show, but for a reason. Ruto is also banking on the support of the Turkana with seven seats, North Eastern with 21, Samburu, Upper Eastern (Isiolo, Marsabit, Moyale), sections of the Coast and some Maa constituencies like Narok South, West and Emurua Dikirr carved out of Kilgoris. Members of the populous Kipsigis sub-tribe of the Kalenjin predominantly occupy the latter three constituencies. Pastoralist communities occupy more than 70 per cent of the country and that their populations combined beat any alliance of big communities. An important fact is that Ruto knows that Raila's relationship with the majority Somalis is weak - Raila could not even get his man to win Kamkunji seat. The same could be said about the Masais. There is a room to manoeuvre, there. And in a race in which one must garner 25 per cent of votes in at least 24 counties besides bagging more than 50 per cent of the votes cast, Ruto also has support in seven counties occupied by his Kalenjin community. They are West Pokot, Elgeyo Marakwet, Uasin Gishu, Nandi, Baringo, Kericho and Bomet. None of the other aspirants enjoys this advantage. Last, one must acknowledge the man's abilities. Ruto charisma, articulation, hardwork and ambitious are an asset. So intensely has Ruto captured the imagination of the country that veteran journalist Philip Ochieng has coined the term “rutolitics” to refer to “whatever masquerades as politics in Kenya”. Ruto’s use of symbolism has served him well. Thus his famous cap with the country’s national colours mark him out. They say Politics is about symbolism and branding - Ruto must have taken that assiduously. . Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7633#ixzz2NEYfvP9F
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 14:42:38 GMT 3
Re: Of The Raila-Kalonzo-Ruto Alliance « Reply #1 on Oct 29, 2012, 4:01pm » Kalonzo seems to be jumping around like a headless chicken begging for accommodation from one party to another. Even if he was to join ODM- which is not too far fetched since he's a flip flopper, I doubt he would last long in there with his crazy demands for himself and his huge Kamba entourage. There would be complete meltdown if he jumped the queue and was made Raila's running mate. Ngilu would quickly go the opposite way towards TNA, I'm sure she's watching the night meetings keenly. Kalonzo needs ODM more than they need him, perhaps he's just throwing tantrum to attract TNA's attention! Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7505#ixzz2NEH72ArB Re: Of The Raila-Kalonzo-Ruto Alliance « Reply #77 on Nov 23, 2012, 7:4 Kamale and Rais, I agree that the departure of Kalonzo leaves Ngilu as the head of the Uhuruto coalition in Ukambani, that is the end of the story. But like Rais, I just do not see how Ngilu can bring these guys even as little as 200k votes from Ukambani. Having said that though, I understand that Kalonzo's demands could not be accommodated anywhere in the coalition, more reason why he had to go. Uhuruto were left with no choice but to replace him even if only for PR purposes, thats where Ngilu and her sidekick Kiema Kilonzo come in. Methink Uhuruto have done their calculations without factoring in the Ukambani vote and are comfortable with what they are seeing. Although Ruto seems to have accepted that outcome reluctantly. . Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7505&page=6#ixzz2NEM02YDdRe: Guardian Article on Afraha Pact « Reply #7 on Dec 5, 2012, 7:59am » Reading that article you can just see the reporter with a WTF look on her face...like most of us but their are many reasons for such a ticket to actually materialize the real problem is apathy...ultimately most people don’t care & those who do in a political sense, those who actually go and register for elections & vote are very few (percentage wise)...and mainly concentrated between the GEMA/Kalenjin/Kamba/Luo communities... If actual votes matched the census proportionally (like most of the rest of the world) you would see a very different picture...the politicians obviously know this and do whatever they want... Uhuruto are already in you would be deluded to think otherwise...only the Courts/Kibaki can stop them not the ballot... Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7624#ixzz2NEWgdn3k
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 14:04:21 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 14:00:10 GMT 3
Re: Advanced Thinking: Rutologic and The ICC « Reply #7 on Nov 30, 2012, 4:46pm » The strangest of them all are the ODMers still hanging on the ICC to win it! Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7602#ixzz2NEBZENlm Re: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND « Reply #5 on Nov 26, 2012, 4:22pm Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7586#ixzz2NEE1UK9f....and how will they plunge the country into a state of anarchy? Is it by being elected? Besides, this 'achicha' thing is only on the internet. Hapa mashinani there is nothing like that. In fact people are eagerly awaiting for the signing of the coalition instrument between their leader Ruto and TNA. Re: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND « Reply #9 on Nov 27, 2012, 8:22am » One cannot help but notice the worry that an Uhuruto coalition brings. To counter it, it has been labeled a tribal alliance or and alliance of criminals amongst many names. The protagonist here is William Ruto. Now tell me if the Kalenjins would have been deemed lost had the so called Elders of Eldoret and Nakuru convinced Ruto to team up with Raila which was the main aim of the meetings? Would Kalenjins be the dumb idiots they are being suggested to be for teaming up with Uhuru if they were say teaming up with ODM? Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7586#ixzz2NEEWoSgSRe: "ACHICHA wendi KITYO" hits KALENJIN LAND « Reply #10 on Nov 27, 2012, 9:04am » Mwalimu Its time you realize that the tower of babel is coming down,when reality sinks in, Ruto will have no choice but to leave Uhuru and TNA, you should know that Ruto is an empty Debe, he was made, he did not make himself, the Kalenjins made him during the 2007 elections, he wanted to ditch Raila and follow Kalonzo, but the people were with Raila, so for him to remain relevant he had to stay in Raila's camp, and for the support he got from Rift valley Ruto was to be the prime minister, but since ODM could not form the government by itself that did not happen. The Kalenjins will not go with Uhuru, that is a fact and Ruto will either go alone or become irrelevant if he becomes Uhuru's running mate, take that to the bank Mr. Merkeju, I just took your check to the bank but it bounced vibaya sana with costs. Now, will you pay the costs? You see ndugu, the problem with you guys is that, you are sharing with us your wishes as if they were a reality. This is what we know my friend, Kalenjins have no problem with Uhuru, they have voted for him to a man before. I am yet to see anything indicating that this position had changed. In 2007 the Kalenjins had beef with Kibaki the man for what they perceived as his targeting them and their interests. In Raila they saw a man whom they thought would well represent them in standing to Kibaki. But he let them down, his betrayal of the community was more painful than Kibakis because unlike Kibaki, they had invested all their worldly possessions in Raila. Today, the Kalenjins have no beef with any other candidate out there but Raila and no better candidate to stand to him than Uhuru. Of course they would have loved to have their own (read Ruto) do it, but they know this is a game that needs more than one's wishes. In short today's Raila is yesterdays Kibaki and todays Uhuru is yesterdays Raila. So go figure before you start believing in your own wishes. Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7586#ixzz2NEEy9ltk
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 13:51:08 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 13:43:35 GMT 3
Anonymous 11 March 2013 02:36
I began to like Ruto some few months ago...he now has a special place in my heart. My the Lord help him as he leads the nation to prosperity. Let the fear of the Lord be upon him....and let him tremble before his Creator. He now has a broken spirit; and this is what the Lord has been looking for in Ruto. Good luck young man. Anonymous 11 March 2013 03:07
I too have put the two in a special place in my heart. This has also taught us all a lesson that in everything we do we MUST put God first. I remember Uhuru/Ruto going round the country praying and being prayed for and some rubbished them saying "is that all they can do?' This victory has been made possible by God and by all means they have every right to cry. God is great and He will lead this nation to greater heights. And for the opponents please know that these two are the chosen ones by God and any fight you put you shall fight against God in which you will never win. Let's all embrace each other as brothers and sisters and work for the generations to come. Anonymous 11 March 2013 03:10
Just like all of us, our Deputy President is human. May the good Lord shower him and his family with blessings. Good luck William. Anonymous 11 March 2013 03:16
for the Two principles elect, its purely Gods doing, look at the humility.....,we pray that God will continue using you to take this country into the next level. Kings are born and ordained by God not chosen. Anonymous 11 March 2013 03:16
He has the fear of the Lord in him and thts one thing that will make him prosper in his life and struggles, Plus his wife, she a real wife and supporter. Standing with her family and huby in prayers. Kenya we have been waiting for such leader who will call for an inter denomination thanks giving day, afta God fights for them. Dosh dosh 11 March 2013 03:24
tears in the house of God symbolises humility. Those who believe in God can attest to this. God bless u our deputy president elect!
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 13:34:20 GMT 3
Monday March 11,2013 - Deputy President elect William Ruto on Sunday cried at a church in Karen, as he remembered the journey they have taken in order for Jubilee Coalition to win the last Monday’s poll. Mr Ruto, who was accompanied by close family members, Information Minister Samuel Poghisio and former Turkana Central legislator Ekwe Ethuro, was overcome with emotions at faith Evangelical Ministries in Karen. “I have not cried like this for many years. The only time I remember crying like this was when I was a little boy and my mother is here to attest to that. My wife knew me as a strong man because she never seen me emotional like this,” Ruto stated. Ruto said God, in a special way, had given the Jubilee Coalition victory in March 4 General Election. “The same God who gave us victory against all odds will do more exceedingly and abundantly for us. It will be more than the people of Kenya want. God is going to do great things for this country,” Ruto said. Efforts by his wife Rachael, who was beside him at the dais to calm him down proved futile as she too got carried away and also wept alongside her husband, as they were both overcome by emotions. Reminisces www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/william-ruto-broke-into-tears-as-he.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 11, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 3
Monday March 11, 2013 - Kisumu West MP elect Olago Oluoch has urged the Prime Minister Raila Odinga to concede defeat if he wants to appear as statesman and a patriotic leader. Speaking to journalists on Sunday at his home in Nairobi, Olago Oluoch, who is a renowned Constitutional lawyer, said it would be appropriate for the PM to concede defeat. “He would easily become a statesman if he let go. But the court battle might be bruising and might easily soil what he has achieved for the country,” Olago who is a close confidante of the PM said. www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/raila-odingas-close-confidante-urges.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 8, 2013 4:30:09 GMT 3
noway, I don't think they were "wrongly accused", but that I will try to explain some other time. In my opinion, Raila and indeed Kibaki played their respective roles towards the PEV, be it differently to the Occampo Four. Again, that is another debate for another thread if it has not been discussed yet. In the meantime, all I am asking is for the supporters of the two to try and have some empathy for the other side and especially the victims, and for the other side to consider the subject debate if it has any merit forward. Is that too much to ask? Abdulmote , First thing first Uhuru and Ruto are inductees and have not been condemned as guilty by the ICC court so wouldnt it be prudent first to wait for the case proceedings and outcome before asking Kenyans to forgive them? Secondly do you believe or according to your opinion were Ocampos investigations thorough with evidence beyond reasonable doubt to convict Uhuru and Ruto ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 8, 2013 0:13:49 GMT 3
Former President warns RAILA and KALONZO over incitement, saying was FREE and FAIR Thursday March 7, 2013 - CORD politicians have been warned against making statements that border on incitement in response to the ongoing vote tallying by the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC). Former Zambian President Rupiah Banda has urged Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to restrain from making press briefings that may incite the public. He urged them to refrain themselves from making inflammatory statements that could undermine national stability and security. “We urge political parties and candidates to continue to exercise patience as the results process continues and to bring any complaints that they may have to appropriate legal channels,” Banda said. Banda said a number of constituencies have small problems which should be solved through legal means but not through making inflammatory statements. www.kenyan-post.com/2013/03/former-president-warns-raila-and.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 23:54:58 GMT 3
As I write this, the presidential election votes are still being counted and nowhere near the fifty percent mark of the total votes cast have been counted yet. In other words, we are no where near knowing who is going to win this election or whether round two is inevitable. It is obvious from what any can observe so far that Uhuruto are enjoying a significant support from Kenyans, irrespective of whether they win or not. It also does not escape our minds that the two are still waiting for their trial not in a so distant future at the ICC. Addressing the issue of ICC trial, some of us have already made our conclusion that it is unlikely that the two will attend the trial if they win. Raila on the other hand has pledged to bring the trials "back home" should he win. But that is besides the point. Uhuru and Ruto belonged to two opposing sides when the PEV took place. Indeed, it is the roles that the two individually played inn their respective divide which led them to find themselves where they are today. Many people lost their lives and thousands of families and their lively hood destroyed. The pain of those thousands affected can still be felt by the same. Remarkably it may seem, significant number of Kenyans have forgiven the two and as I write this, the expression is clear through the votes currently being counted that they have forgiven them. Again to reiterate, the two once belonged to the two warring sides. Whilst much had been said, expressing desire to have the two behind the Hague bars and the ICC trial to serve as a deterrent to possible similar culture of impunity, I do not think that such a remedy will provide a necessary healing to our nation as a whole and so allow our country to move ahead at a desirable pace of reform and head towards desirable status of civilisation. Now then, just as a matter of initiating debate in this respect, do you think Uhuru and Ruto should be forgiven by all Kenyans and focus moved towards moving on whether they win or not? If so, how are we as Kenyans supposed to pay attention to the suffering that tens of thousands are going through as a result of the regrettable actions of the two and finally, how should we propose to conclude this issue once and for all? Abdulmote , Did it take an election to realize that we should forgive some people for being wrongly accused as the people bearing the greatest "criminal " responsibility for the post election violence witnessed in 2007-2008? As an adherent reader of political news you would know that Uhuru was Rutos political leader in KANU up-to less than three months to the General elections and the genesis of post election violence and with Ruto being accused of organizing and planning prior the P.E.V. then logically it implies that Uhuru either had knowledge or was involved in that planning. Most Kenyans either believe or are privy of information that Uhuru & Ruto are not liable for actions which led to the Post election Violence . Ocampo did not do any investigations and relied on reports based on half-truths , rumours and lies to convict uhuru and Ruto and consequently had Raila walking scot-free where as he was the criminal who should be facing ICC judges now as we speak. You clearly heard Muite during the first debate telling Raila in his face he is guilty as accused for the butchering of Kenyans against each other. Raila is the chief perpetrator of the Post election violence and with voting for Uhuru and Ruto in the just concluded elections this is a clear message to the ICC and the whole world that it does not understand the local issues which led to the P.E.V. and it is indeed the politicians led by Raila who incited the Kenyans to go at each other with the utterances and political strategy which was divisive that eventually resulted to Kenyans mudering each other and displacing each other from their respective homes . What the communities affected by the P.E.V. are saying in a nutshell is Raila is the one who should be at ICC and not Uhuru and Ruto thus contrary to your suggestion it should be Raila asking for forgiveness from Kenyans.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 23:28:16 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.htmlHassan's explanation is the most complete form of absolute nonsense. If indeed the multiplier issue was an error in the programming, there's no way on earth (and heaven) it could not have been caught in testing. Very worst case scenario, it would have been caught at the arrival of the very first transmission... unless of course we are dealing with the greatest assembly of bumbling idiots at the IEBC. They actually sat there for over a day; tallying over 50% of the vote... and no one noticed. Look, there is no shame in accepting the systems were hacked. It happens all the time even in the US. Just Google. Likely the hackers were instructed to screw around with the vote up to a certain limit where their 'winner' would be safe. Unfortunately, their pull-out strategy failed and the World started noticing and making loud noises. They had no option but to crush the entire system especially because in the end it's their boy who would be hurting. End of story, next chapter. Lincoln, Go through again the news-story by Nation .If there was any hacking then it should have been done to increase the number of rejected voters and therefore force a runoff and it seems the plot was unearthed Heres the same story as reported by standard newspapers Contrary to speculations and rumors, we do not believe the system was hacked into as the installed multiple-layered security systems did not indicate that,â Hassan pointed out.
There were also concerns about the spoilt votes that reduced dramatically after IEBC adopted the manual system, and Hassan said there was a database server error that multiplied the rejected votes by eight. The rejected votes stood at over 320,000 when cast votes stood at more than 4 million when the system failed. By the time of going to press the rejected votes were now 58,409 out of the 6,031,500 votes cast. standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000078851&story_title=Kenya-IEBC-disputes-division-claims-among-commissioners
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 22:09:24 GMT 3
B6k You were right IEBC blames database bug for rejected votes error The chairman of Kenya’s electoral commission Issack Hassan has attributed the big reduction of rejected votes in the on-going manual tallying process to a bug in the commission’s database. Addressing a news conference at the Bomas of Kenya in Nairobi on Thursday evening, Mr Hassan said a bug in their database kept on multiplying the rejected votes by a factor of eight. The database was developed in-house by the Independent Boundaries and Electoral Commission. Mr Hassan said the programming error was as a result of a conflict between the IEBC server and the database. “There was an error in the way the programme was written… For any rejected vote for any candidate, they were being multiplied by eight,” said the IEBC chairman. As at 6.30pm last night, the IEBC had counted 6,031,500 votes, and the tally of rejected votes was at 58,409. When the results were being transmitted electronically from the polling stations, the database had recorded 338,592 rejected votes out of a total of 5,653,852 votes cast. The high number of rejected votes –which kept rising as the counting continued—made political parties jittery about their possible impact on the final tally of votes. For a candidate to be declared a president, they must have more than half of all the votes cast in an election and at least 25 per cent in more than half of the 47 counties in the country. By 6:30 pm Thusrday, the IEBC had officially announced results from 132 constituencies. Jubilee’s Uhuru Kenyatta was in the lead with 3,134,654 votes, Mr Raila Odinga of the Coalition for Reform and Democracy had 2,563,286, Musalia Mudavadi had 174,348, Peter Kenneth 34,409, Martha Karua 19,945, James ole Kiyiapi 19,365, Mohammed Dida 16,536 and Paul Muite 6,705. The high number of the rejected votes had made the IEBC promise to do an audit on the cause of the spectacle. Some of the observers at the Bomas of Kenya had attributed the high number of rejected votes to an uneducated electorate, given that they were supposed to vote for six elective positions, with numerous candidates. There are also those who said the colour-coding of the ballot boxes and ballot papers had had an effect in the rejection of votes. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1714132/-/ayghod/-/index.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 15:22:30 GMT 3
B6k, CORD/ODM had their presidential tallies and so did Jubilee , Once Orengo , Bett and Nyongo came out gun blazing against IEBC with claims of election irregularities during the first day of provisional results it was clear what could have been the reason - defeat was knocking on the door and from the numbers they were getting from their agents in polling station results were showing that they were losing the presidential elections. They were left with clutching at straws and hoping manna would drop from heaven and the elections some how would proceed to a runoff . First were the miscellaneous SMS's and mails from the so called Raila friendly groups aka FORA etc that from their tallies they were confident of winning and the elections and that the elections would proceed to a runoff , second came in the "rejected votes excuse" and how they would force a runnoff on the strength of the rejected votes. Thirdly having gotten a straw in the name of rejected votes came out a" confident "Kalonzo with false bravado of how they are sure of winning this elections -This was to instill confidence to CORD/ODM supporters most of whom were already throwing in the towels. The other tactics was use of propaganda that the electronic systems had been hacked by their opponents , allegations which were unfounded. The IEBC chairman who had been a villain for the last 2 days became a hero overnight to CORD/ODMs supporters when he made the decision to go manual way and all was going on well till the moment the results started reflecting the same trend as in the provisional results with almost a similar Uhuru's lead margin then all over a sudden IEBC Chairman became a villain once again. To add salt to injury the rejected votes in the actual results were becoming less and less to an extent where they were becoming ineligible and to an extend could not influence the election outcome.This is the reason which has made them accept the only route they have to force another election is through the Supreme Court and with Makau Mutua hinting in his last article that Mutunga is their only savior they have decided to take that route. Seems fate is not on their side any strategy they have used or tied to has either failed or didn't work . Nowayhaha, I have a hunch that there is more to RR's story about rejected votes but he isn't being totally honest about it. If we are to believe that the electronic system was hacked into, then it is possible that CORD hackers were pushing up the numbers of rejected votes in order to clamour for a runoff later. The whole RR story about his sister & other relatives deliberately spoiling their votes sounds like fiction to me. They would've voted for their man genuinely, but once it became clear he was losing they would've hacked the system to push up the rejected votes in hope of declaring the need for a rerun. We are virtually the same level we were with the electronic vote (UK 2.4m to Raila's 1.9m) & yet the rejected votes have plummeted to just above 30k once the actual Form 36's signed off on by ALL agents has been used. Very interesting...... B6k, Claims were that the rejected votes were properly marked presidential ballot papers but slotted in the other ballot boxes color marked for either senate , governor e.t.c. Then I was wondering when were they were interjected (at what juncture ) and added to the presidential tally because the presidential votes were to be counted first and results relayed electronically, were they interjected when the other posts votes were being tallied - Something doesn't add up
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 13:58:13 GMT 3
Kalonzo is quoted saying that the law requires that results be transmitted first electronically before the tallying sheets are sent to HQ. Anyone know which law that is? Kamale , This is what the Nation's political analyst Benji Ndolo posted yesterday in his fb page. "Miscelleneous Amendment to the Elections Act 2012..."Returning officers shall transmit all voting results electronically to the National Tallying Centre" I fear we could easily fool around and drift into a constitutional crisis. For all those name-calling and questioning my patriotism, you would do better to expend your energy trying to find truth and answers for this country. For me it always has been and always will be Kenya first."
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 13:06:22 GMT 3
Folks, go easy on RR. The fact is anyone who has access to data that the parties have collated from the various counties will know that this election has already been won (or lost depending on which side you support). IEBC is taking its sweet time to unleash the inevitable lest people end up in hospital wards from the shock. Let RR vent. Better online than on the streets ;D ;D ;D ;D B6k, CORD/ODM had their presidential tallies and so did Jubilee , Once Orengo , Bett and Nyongo came out gun blazing against IEBC with claims of election irregularities during the first day of provisional results it was clear what could have been the reason - defeat was knocking on the door and from the numbers they were getting from their agents in polling station results were showing that they were losing the presidential elections. They were left with clutching at straws and hoping manna would drop from heaven and the elections some how would proceed to a runoff . First were the miscellaneous SMS's and mails from the so called Raila friendly groups aka FORA etc that from their tallies they were confident of winning and the elections and that the elections would proceed to a runoff , second came in the "rejected votes excuse" and how they would force a runnoff on the strength of the rejected votes. Thirdly having gotten a straw in the name of rejected votes came out a" confident "Kalonzo with false bravado of how they are sure of winning this elections -This was to instill confidence to CORD/ODM supporters most of whom were already throwing in the towels. The other tactics was use of propaganda that the electronic systems had been hacked by their opponents , allegations which were unfounded. The IEBC chairman who had been a villain for the last 2 days became a hero overnight to CORD/ODMs supporters when he made the decision to go manual way and all was going on well till the moment the results started reflecting the same trend as in the provisional results with almost a similar Uhuru's lead margin then all over a sudden IEBC Chairman became a villain once again. To add salt to injury the rejected votes in the actual results were becoming less and less to an extent where they were becoming ineligible and to an extend could not influence the election outcome.This is the reason which has made them accept the only route they have to force another election is through the Supreme Court and with Makau Mutua hinting in his last article that Mutunga is their only savior they have decided to take that route. Seems fate is not on their side any strategy they have used or tied to has either failed or didn't work .
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 8:22:00 GMT 3
CORD/ODM will have to look for another excuse for the presidential elections to go for a runnoff The rejected votes with the actual results have gone down from 5 % as reported in the provisional results to 0.5 %. Biggest share of the Rejected votes are in Jubilee strongholds. If this is the trend the Kiss "Rejected votes tallying will lead to runnoff excuse "goodbye .
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 2:32:50 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 2:14:33 GMT 3
1:16 Official presidential results: Uhuru 1,119,761; Raila 819,573; Mudavadi 21,516; Kenneth 7,896; Kiyiapi 6,983; Karua 5,629; Dida 2,766; Muite 1,792 in 48/291 constituencies
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 7, 2013 1:57:31 GMT 3
Wow! Its unfortunate that most of the guys arguing here about who had how many votes actually do not have intimate access to Jubilee or CORD tallies respectively. Notwithstanding...we have a few, who know the exact numbers of each candindate...for example RR. I cite RR because i am also privy to this information... Listen...both CORD and Jubilee had their agents at all polling stations...hence each of them know how much each candidate attained So let us not make so much noise, yet we have not the real information about the numbers Let us wait for the analogue count to come to an end...then we can prove each other wrong Hint: Why are Jumbilee quarters jittery? If they claim popularity, they should be able to comfortably get the votes they already have, plus more during the Run Off. Hence ... and to borrow Miguna's cliche...they should say "Come, Run-Off, Come" So you have let the cat out of thee bag ,how ? By confirming that RR has intimate sources of CORD tallies, a few days ago prior to the election RR was cocksure of a CORDs first round win but today came out joking that he and his relatives had voted but made sure their votes were rejected as protest vote against ICC inductees UhuRuto and wanted IEBC to have their votes tallied to the final vote count which will affect the 50 +1 vote. You also hint by asking Jubilee if they claim popularity then they should be able to comfortably get the votes and add more during the Runoff. This is your first post about the election results and you prefer posting it in the "Rejected Votes Thread ". Evident that those privy to the "CORD tallies " are angling for a runnoff by making sure the rejected votes are factored in during the final tally and thus force a runoff .
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