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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 26, 2011 18:33:05 GMT 3
Live Feed - Mr Mwanza: (Reacting to allegations that Police were ordered to stand aside) I didn't received any order from anybody to stand aside and none of my officers ever received such orders. Monday September 26, 2011 6:40
Mr Mwanza: I don't think any mungiki was ferried. We would have known from the local community, the intelligence would have told us. Monday September 26, 2011 6:38
Mr Mwanza: As I know, it was an eruption just like the rest of Kenya. And this chaos took a tribal dimension. Monday September 26, 2011 6:37
Mr Mwanza: I knew APs, especially the top ranks. Facially I would know that these are my officers. In my knowledge I never saw anybody who wasn't an AP who was wearing uniforms or carrying arms Monday September 26, 2011 6:36
Mr Mwanza: I can's say I saw any arms apart from the crude weapons. These were stones clubs and sticks. A lot of people had sticks. 6:34
Mr Mwanza: At the Police station we had 8,000 IDPs, while at the Prisons we had around 12,000. These were Naivasha residents displaced by the riots in the town. We also ha a separate group of IDPs who were streaming in from other parts of the country. We actually had two groups of IDPs. 6:34 Mr Mwanza: The army helped us clear the roads and managng the crowds there. It was a relief Monday September 26, 2011 6:31 6:29 Mr Mwanza: Later we got congratulatory messages from the business community on the work we had done. Monday September 26, 2011 6:29 6:28 Mr Mwanza: ( Reacting to allegations that the Police were ordered to stand aside) It cannot be correct. As I have explained we did a lot of work. If at the time the Police would have done nothing the situation would have been mass murder. Monday September 26, 2011 6:28 6:26 Mr Mwanza: The anti-livestock unit and the Administration Police were involved in the operations. Monday September 26, 2011 6:26 6:25 Mr Mwanza: Majority of the people from Nyanza were living in rented houses and were at the mercy of landlords. So most were seeking refuge in the IDP camps. But we did our best to contain the situation. Monday September 26, 2011 6:25 6:24 Mr Mwanza: I was a DC so I am aware that people were arrested, others were shot in the running battles. Those who were arrested were later taken to court. Monday September 26, 2011 6:24 6:22 Mr Mwanza: There was a turn of events. This is when we began hearing talk of people chasing away others from Naivasha. We could hear people say "let them go, let them go." The violence that erupted was between the Kikuyus and the Luos. Monday September 26, 2011 6:22 6:20 Mr Mwanza: At the highway, none of the demonstrators had any weapons. They didn't have arms but they used stones. That's when we decided to disperse them. Monday September 26, 2011 6:20 6:19 Mr Mwanza: IDPs went to the Police station, others went to the Naivasha prison area. IDPs were still arriving even on the same date. Monday September 26, 2011 6:19 6:17 Mr Mwanza: We requested assistance from state security after realising the magnitude of the chaos. Monday September 26, 2011 6:17 6:16 Mr Mwanza: We told Police to clear people from the streets and arrest those who were resisting the order. We wanted people to go o their houses so that we could manage the place. The OCPD was in command of the operation. Monday September 26, 2011 6:16 6:14 Mr Mwanza: The crowds ranged from 4,500 to 2,000. Some were aggressive and challenged everything we told them. People were saying all sorts of things. Monday September 26, 2011 6:14 6:12 Mr Mwanza: There was pandemonium all over. People were running all over the place, the Police were in action. Three or four were shot by the Police in the running battles. Monday September 26, 2011 6:12 6:11 Mr Mwanza:The Police came later and began dispersing the rioters using tear gas and clubs. But the crowds were agitated and rival groups were throwing stones at each other. Monday September 26, 2011 6:11 6:09 Mr Mwanza: I was mainly trying to calm the crowds down and kept moving between various hot spots. There were a lot of stones and some were very agitated. We warned the rioters that we would use force if they refused to disperse. Monday September 26, 2011 6:09 6:08 Mr Mwanza: We began persuading rioters to remove the stones they had used to barricade roads. Monday September 26, 2011 6:08 6:05 Court resumes. Monday September 26, 2011 6:05 5:31 Judge Trendafilova adjourns court session for a 30 minutes break. Monday September 26, 2011 5:31 5:30 Mr Mwanza: The first area I went to was a few meters from my office. I started addressing the demonstrators and understanding why they were protesting. Monday September 26, 2011 5:30 5:28 Mr Mwanza: There was no much information provided about the demonstrations. I found it was difficult to even access my house. I had to get officers from the Anti-Stock Theft Unit to escort me to my house. Monday September 26, 2011 5:28 5:26 Mr Mwanza: I told the AP commandant we needed more officers to contain the demonstrations. This was duly done. Monday September 26, 2011 5:26 5:24 Mr Mwanza: On January 27th I got a call from my deputy telling me there were demonstrations in Naivasha. My Deputy was Gideon Oyata, he was a Kisii. I contacted other members of the district security and intelligence committee and requested them that they provide more officers in the town. Monday September 26, 2011 5:24 5:21 Prosecution raise concern on the approach of the defence lawyer in his line of questions. Monday September 26, 2011 5:21 5:20 Mr Mwanza: The majority of those who were attacked in Molo and Nakuru went to the nearest place where they felt they will be safe - which was Naivasha. The issues revolved around tribes. Monday September 26, 2011 5:20 5:18 Mr Mwanza: In Molo there around 120,000 who were displaced. The majority were Kikuyus, we also had Kisiis and a few Luhyas. Monday September 26, 2011 5:18 5:17 Mr Mwanza: Around January 25th to the 27th is when we heard the violence in Nakuru. In fact that was why I went to transfer my family from Nakuru to Naivasha. Nakuru was becoming too insecure. Monday September 26, 2011 5:17 5:16 Mr Mwanza: Naivasha town is 49 km from Nakuru town.They are very close and there's a lot of activities between them. The business people in Naivasha also own businesses in Nakuru. Monday September 26, 2011 5:16 5:14 Mr Mwanza: In Molo and Nakuru there were attacks on Kikuyu. These were our neighbors so there was talk of violence in our neighborhood. Monday September 26, 2011 5:14 5:11 Defence reads out a paragraph from a prosecution witness who alleged there were rumors on the potential of violence prior which were never acted on. Monday September 26, 2011 5:11 5:10 Mr Mwanza: There was no indication or anything that I heard from any body to show the potential of violence. Monday September 26, 2011 5:10 5:09 Mr Mwanza: During this period we had information that Kikuyus were being evicted from other parts of the country. But my office was open to all tribes. Monday September 26, 2011 5:09 5:07 Mr Mwanza: There was no bad blood between the IDPS and the non-Kikuyu residents living in Naivasha. Monday September 26, 2011 5:07 5:06 Witness: In Naivasha there was a lot of sad stories told by IDPs who were coming from other parts of the country. But there was nothing pointing towards an eruption of violence in Naivasha. Monday September 26, 2011 5:06 5:04 Witness: Generally there was a lot of tension in the country. The tension was about the disputed presidential results which culminated to violence in the country. Monday September 26, 2011 5:04 5:02 Mr Mwanza: Kenya Police and Administration Police were responsible for patrols during this time. Monday September 26, 2011 5:02 5:01 Mr Mwanza: Apart from the challenge of managing the IDPs streaming in, there was nothing much. We had put in place plans for executing security measures. Monday September 26, 2011 5:01 4:59 Mr Mwanza: In January 2008, we had almost 20,000 IDPs in Naivasha. We got support from Red Cross and religious bodies who gaveus food and temporary shelter fro the IDPs. Monday September 26, 2011 4:59 4:58 Mr Mwanza: We took records to indicate where the IDPs were coming from. There were districts that stood out - Molo, Eldoret, Kisumu, Kiplkelion, Kitale, Trans Nzoia, Narok, Bomet. The IDPs were basically running from those districts. Monday September 26, 2011 4:58 4:55 Mr Mwanza: The IDPs narrated stories on the kind of events that took place in other parts of the country. They talked about losing relatives and property. Our main concern was finding ways of managing IDPs streaming into the district. Monday September 26, 2011 4:55 4:53 Mr Mwanza: The IDPS streaming to Naivasha came from all over. They chose Naivasha because it was very safe and because the largest group of people living in Naivasha were the Kikuyu. Monday September 26, 2011 4:53 4:52 Mr Mwanza: The IDPs in Naivasha were largely from the Kikuyu community. Monday September 26, 2011 4:52 4:51 Public session resumes. Monday September 26, 2011 4:51 4:47 Court switches to a private session because Mr Mwanza is not comfortable naming people in a public session. Monday September 26, 2011 4:47 4:46 Mr Mwanza: I kindly request that I don't name anybody. I don't feel comfortable naming anyone. Monday September 26, 2011 4:46 4:45 Mr Mwanza: After announcement of the results of the presidential elections there was some jubilation in Naivasha and the situation was okay, although we heard that other areas were experiencing chaos. Monday September 26, 2011 4:45 4:43 Mr Mwanza: The former MP and the current MP were all from PNU. Monday September 26, 2011 4:43 4:42 Mr Mwanza: The political mood in Naivasha during the campaign perios was very calm. Although there was tension between supporters of the two leading candidates, most of these were at individual levels. Monday September 26, 2011 4:42 4:40 Mr Mwanza: The OCPD reports to the PPO. The DCIO also reports to the PCIO. All these provincial department heads report to the Provincial Officer, who in turn reports to the Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Internal Security. Monday September 26, 2011 4:40 4:34 Mr Mwanza: Once we've made the decisions, we leave the officer in charge of that particular section to implement the decision. Monday September 26, 2011 4:34 4:33 Mr Mwanza: Decisions are made and applied according to the law. These decisions are executed mainly by some members of the committee. The DCIO is usually the head of operations. Monday September 26, 2011 4:33 4:31 Mr Mwanza: Decisions at the district security and intelligence committee are made after deliberations by its members on the items on the agenda. These are collective decisions. Monday September 26, 2011 4:31 4:29 CORRECTION: Name of witness is Lucas Katee Mwanza. Not Katimaza as we had earlier indicated. Monday September 26, 2011 4:29 4:27 Mr Mwanza: Functions of the district security and intelligence committee was sharing of information and analysis and then take actions where appropriate. Monday September 26, 2011 4:27 4:26 Mr Mwanza: I am aware there were structures to deal with security. The structure included with the district security committee as well as the state security agencies. These included regular police, administration police as well as KWS officers Monday September 26, 2011 4:26 4:25 Mr Mwanza: My functions as DC was to co-ordinate government business in the district. These will include law and order, peace building and conflict resolution. Monday September 26, 2011 4:25 4:24 Mr Mwanza: Naivasha population was about 350, 000 at the time (2007). Naivasha is highly cosmopolitan. Kikuyus occupy about 75 per cent. We have the Maasai, the Luo. We also have investors from Europe, Asia and Africa. Monday September 26, 2011 4:24 4:19 Mr Mwanza: In January 2007 I was working in Naivasha district as District commissioner. I was DC at the time of the post-election violence. I was posted to Naivasha in January 2007. Monday September 26, 2011 4:19 4:18 Mr Mwanza: Before I moved to Kilifi district I was DC Molo district. Monday September 26, 2011 4:18 4:17 Muthaura's defence team to lead witness in his testimony. Monday September 26, 2011 4:17 4:15 First witness identifies himself as Lucas Katee Mwanza [NAME CORRECTED]. Currently DC Kilifi and has been in civil service since 1991. Monday September 26, 2011 4:15 4:14 First witness takes oath. Monday September 26, 2011 4:14 4:12 Judge Trendafilova inducts the first witness on the regulations guiding testimonies made before the court. Monday September 26, 2011 4:12 4:09 Khan has the floor. Pays tribute to the late Wangari Maathai. Monday September 26, 2011 4:09 4:08 Judge Trendafilova reads out regulations guiding the testimonies being made by witnesses in the court. Monday September 26, 2011 4:08 4:04 Judge Trendafilova: Today we hear from the first defence witness for Muthaura and possibly the second witness. Monday September 26, 2011 4:04 4:02 Day 5 of the confirmation of charges hearings start
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 25, 2011 11:59:57 GMT 3
Patriotism . Uhuru has been sponsoring Gor since way back in time .Remember the Harambee for Gor back in 2003 when there were infights in NARC .Where Uhuru extended a gesture for Raila to join him in opposition? This was 4 years to P.E.V. and a few months after NARC had massively won the elections. allafrica.com/stories/200308210359.html Narc Divided Over Uhuru-Raila Rally Nairobi — Kiraitu condemns stadium encounter as 'not official' Narc politicians were yesterday sharply divided over the public meeting between Cabinet minister Raila Odinga and official Opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta. Nowayhaha- I have no idea what you are talking about. By Muthamaki meeting Rao at a statdium- how does that support your assertion that Muthamaki supported Gor way back 4 years ago??? My submission was that Brookside sponsorship occassioning the Tuzo Gor Jersey fiasco is Muthamaki's PR exercise that he loves Luos so much he could not have slaughtered them enmass. Kay will use it to demonstrate to the court Muthamaki's magnonimity aka helping our people! Patriotism If you read the whole article -You will notice that it was harambee organized to raise funds for Gor Mahia and the Guest Of Honour was the Opposition Leader Uhuru Kenyatta and was also attended by Raila Odinga who was minister in the Narc Government. This was not just a meeting between Uhuru and Raila at a stadium . Trying to hoodwink?
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 24, 2011 10:46:35 GMT 3
Muthaura’s lawyer Khan initially appeared so discombobulated by the sheer volume of shocking revelations from the OTP, he wanted to request more time to prepare. Lo! Waki CommissionI also thought his opening argument about Muthaura being the one who initiated formation (and actually set up) the Waki Commission (which inquired PEV) too disingenuous to be missed by the Judges. These Judges have the entire Waki Commission Report in their possession. In its first chapter is a detailed outline of events and processes leading to its formation. Muthaura was certainly neither the one who initiated nor set-up the Waki Commission! So atoe hiyo!The issue about Muthaura not attempting to interfere with the Commission only raises more questions than answers. It's neither here nor there coz Muthaura obviously knew that international commissioners, foreign investigators, and foreign consultants (specifically hand-picked by Kofi Annan’s peers) were sitting in the Waki Commission. They were there to specifically prevent the likes of Muthaura from hijacking the Commission’s agenda and outcome. At the end of the day, the Waki Commission still ended up agreeing with Ocampo’s theory – PLANNED attacks by tribal militia, and planned retaliation by Mungiki in collaboration with State - the very reason why Ocampo quotes copiously from it. Witness # 4It's obvious Khan and Muthaura are focused in trying to discredit Ocampo’s witnesses, starting with witness # 4. But the outrageous angle from which Khan is approaching it leaves a lot to be desired. First, the idea that if Kibaki also sat in the State House planning meeting and Ocampo admitted he had no evidence on Kibaki then Muthaura should also be exonerrated is balogni. Very likely, Ocampo does not YET have corroborating evidence suggesting Kibaki's perpetration role, but is already in possession of tonnes of corroborating evidence on Muthaura's active participation. This should be a no brainer! Next, the notion that Mungiki was in political bed with ODM and Raila Odinga doesn’t logically explain the WELL DOCUMENTED FACT that Mungiki killed ODM supporters and members of Odinga’s ethnic community. To also think ICC Judges will buy the premise that Mungiki, a gang willing to do dirty bidding for the highest bidder, was not collaborating in any way with PNU, based on words from the convicted leader of the criminal gang itself is actually shocking. Khan showed a video clip of Maina Njenga (Mungiki leader) claiming he supported Orange at the referendum, and at the general elections. For Khan to advance Maina Njenga’s TV statement as the rescue to a drowning Muthaura in a shark infested sea, is a sign of total desperation. Judges will never rely on any word from Maina Njenga for the simple reason - he was in Prison when PEV was unveiling. On this matter, Maina Njenga's words can only be third party hearsay and reported accounts.
Did anyone hear Judge Trendafiova ask Khan the date of the video on Maina Njenga's TV statement? I say Amen to the quick intellect of these ICC Judges - especially Trendafiova. She thinks in split seconds. For Khan to misguidedly assume that a recent (October 2009) flick of Maina Njenga, spewing a well choreographed tale about events that occurred while he was in prison is another act of desperation. Maina’s opinion is not useful to this chamber. Judges will view it as misplaced hearsay from someone just landing from planet Mars. He wasn't around at the time in question, period! At least Ocampo carefully disclaims that his own insider witnesses were former Mungiki - folks who were actually on the ground, fully immersed and participating in the Mungiki planning meetings and actual violence. Judges will want to listen to these folks, and see them cross-examined at full trial. That will be the opportunity to as.sess their credibility. So there goes up in smoke, Khan’s attempt to tie Mungiki with ODM and Raila Odinga. Many Kenyans must be laughing at this desperation. State House – 25th or 26th November?In yet another attempt at a hail Mary pass, Khan brings in another voice from planet Jupiter. Even my American toddler nephew knows that President Mwai Kibaki can’t even remember who President Paul Kagame is when facing him. To try relying on Kibaki’s own recollection of events 5 years ago, is akin to handing your fate to a hungry shark. Kibaki’s letter read to the Judges “reflects” his account of events occurring on November 25th, 2007. In cruel and ironic humor, it even starts with the phrase… ”to the best of my recollection”... Without offering an air-tight, day-long alibi, Kibaki writes that he had an appointment on this day – to address a Kibaki-Tena Youth Rally at Uhuru Park. Guess what? It turns out that Kibaki was late for this public appointment, which he admits to in the letter. Public records show crowds of youth waiting at Uhuru Park only for Kibaki to turn up when streams had already left. Does Khan think this really helps Muthaura?The big question in everyone's mind would naturally be - where could Kibaki have been held up on this day? He almost missed an important public meeting crucial to his re-election campaign where he desperately needed to assuage disenchanted youth. Was Kibaki probably held up in a more important meeting? Or what?That is a very important question because on this day, Ocampo says Kibaki was holed up with Mungiki at State House. Some corroborating Mungiki insider witnesses say they were actually gathered in a tent at State House, together with Mwai Kibaki, Uhuru Kenyatta, Hyslop Ipu, Stanley Murage (who opened the doors of State House for this fateful invitation), Francis Muthaura (said to have initially opposed the idea of hosting Mungiki thugs at State House), George Thuo (owner of City hopper, the bus hired to transport Mungiki), Isaiah Kabira, alongside Mungiki leaders and other militia. The octagenarian and memory-challenged Kibaki on the other hand, denies this, explaining that he was actually ‘delayed’ on a trip from Othaya back to Nairobi. He leaves it that general. ‘Delay” is all he says. No proof he was indeed earlier in Othaya...no explanation of what caused the delay, and no time-to-time accounting of his movements during the ‘delay’. He doesn’t even bother to explain what time he reached. Instead, he quickly jumps to events happening on the next day 26th. Khan volunteers a video clip of a State House event on 26th. To me, this letter alone has raised suspicion that Kibaki is evading accounting fully for his whereabouts. This letter neither covers Kibaki's own alibi for the entire day, nor states the whereabouts of Muthaura on this material day. It is in fact plausible that 2 meetings could be held on the same day, or on two subsequent days. It's all possible. Kibaki and Muthaura could have met the criminal youth (Mungiki) at State House, then met the non-criminal youth from Kibaki-Tena team; either on the same day, or on subsequent days. Muthaura may want to hoodwink Judges that Ocampo may have confused dates, or nature of meetings, thus this attempt to steer attention to the Kibaki-Tena State House meeting, while denying the Mungiki one ever took place. On the other hand, Ocampo, with insider witnesses to boot (Mungiki attendees) contends on nothing but the State House meeting with Mungiki having taken place. This is important because (a) it was the meeting that laid foundation to subsequent Mungiki trips to State House during PEV and (b) it was the meeting that ended the bad blood between Mungiki and Police, terminating the wave of Kwekwe-squad extra-judicial killings. Ocampo is not concerned with any other meeting, just the one attended by Mungiki. I suspect Judges will find it plausible that two meetings were actually held on subsequent days at State House, one with Mungiki. Added with Kibaki's legendary memory problem, well documented by media and diplomats, this letter may add no value in trying to rescue Muthaura. Be your own Judge in guessing which account would be believed; one from Muthaura’s bossom-friend and boss, an 80 year old memory-challenged leader of PNU or multiple corroborating accounts of former Mungiki who claim they were in that State House meeting – listing the people they were with, the specific location of State House they met (outside in a tent), and detailing how they were transported, and what was spoken, and by whom? Your guess is likely to be the same one held by the Judges. I must admit, from the OTP submissions of the last 2 days, Khan is faced with a task virtually impossible no wonder the wild swings of rungu just hoping to hit something. So what is Khan bringing next – a video of Maina Njenga and ODM’s Bishop Wanjiru holding hands in Church? Is that another proof Mungiki and ODM are conjoined twins? I won’t be surprised. This case is going to trial - and future conviction is looking very likely. I will not be surprised if frenzied shuffles in assets held by these suspects doesn't ensue at a higher notch. Victims will want compensation from these folks. This is the same Maina Njenga Jailed by Kibakis Government and released on intervention of Raila ? Was Raila the one sending Bibles to him when he was in Jail? Is Maina Njenga still around ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 24, 2011 10:43:32 GMT 3
abdulmote,I was about to say the exact same thing. The resourcefulness and insights from Jukwaa folks is breathtaking to be honest. It really doesn't matter what positions people take. All that matters is we dissect the proceedings with lazor beams and it is relentless. This whole thread now with over 30,000 hits and counting is a magazine by itself and a wealth of info and insights. I bet you the defense lawyers and even OTP have a bookmark on this thread. I have always been proud of Jukwaa. My pride just doubled. Keep it going folks and have a good weekend. Cheers The case against Muthaura et al is going nowhere. The prosecution spent more time proving that Mungiki commited violent and despicable crimes than linking Muthaura Uhuru and Ali within the Mungiki command structure. The hallmark of Khan's impressive presentation was the obvioius question as to why the Mungiki are not behind the dock answering to charges of crimes against humanity instead of the innocent Muthora (sic) Coincidentally I asked the same question right here at Jukwaa on day 1 of the hearings. Curiously I do not expect this insightful analysis to be included in Adongo's accolades. Well said Kunadawa ,CNN has clips of Police in helicopters chasing Mungiki with guns . Remember the clip of Alfred Mutua vehemently denying Mungikis link with police ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 24, 2011 10:40:25 GMT 3
I have been munching my popcons and sipping my coke- as I watch the movie and read Jukwaa blog. The Ruto's case was just a smokescreen to pacify Panuas. This is explosive and I am seeing Muthamaki going to trial. Any one remembers "wacha wafanye vile watafanya" statement at KICC! ICC ya mama yao, hahaha- this guys words are coming back to haunt him. Muthamaki was so much into the slaughter of jaruos- it now explains why he finds it necessary to sponsor Gor as a PR exercise and evidence to demonstrate to the court his love for kehes. When he stands up next week, expect Muthamaki and his lawyer to state "if I hated jaruos so much, how can I sponsor Gor Mahia" Dont hold you breath guys- the defence lawyers in case II so far are beaten hands down. I cant wait for muthamaki to be cross examined - with his arrogance of a kid with a silver spoon- the Ocampo women (not girls) will rip his balls. It will be a scene to behold for this arrogant so called leader to be brought down to earth. Patriotism . Uhuru has been sponsoring Gor since way back in time .Remember the Harambee for Gor back in 2003 when there were infights in NARC .Where Uhuru extended a gesture for Raila to join him in opposition? This was 4 years to P.E.V. and a few months after NARC had massively won the elections. allafrica.com/stories/200308210359.html Narc Divided Over Uhuru-Raila Rally Nairobi — Kiraitu condemns stadium encounter as 'not official' Narc politicians were yesterday sharply divided over the public meeting between Cabinet minister Raila Odinga and official Opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta.
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 18, 2011 13:18:18 GMT 3
Phil Why do you write like it is martians that read Jukwaa and some of us never lived in Kenya? Just what was NDP? NDP was nothing more than Raila and like sheep to slaughter, he led the all the Luo MPs in NDP to Kanu promising them that he would finally deliver them the presidency. Like the fool (and later history proves this!) he got them ministerial posts and when he realised he had been shafted, he too the high road to defection....not back to NDP (that piece of cloth had been soiled!) but a new vehicle called LDP. Try not to twist history! What was NDP you ask? It was a Kenyan opposition party that emerged 3rd in the 1997 general elections, well ahead of SDP and FORD-K. It held its NDC which unanimously endorsed dissolution to join KANU, but only after certain negotiations took place between elders of the two parties. If you want to know the intricacies behind the KANU/NDP merger from the NDP perspective, then you are mistaken to think it was Raila who was the driving force behind this move. The late Job Omino and the late Mzee Koyo Opien, plus others like Adala Otuko were the real people who brought Raila and Moi together. Kamale, sometimes it is better to shut up and be taught history than display your ignorance for the whole of Jukwaa to see. Phil. You are trying to say that If Raila had opted not "co-operate" with KANU which later led to the merger All N.D.P. mps would have moved to KANU without Raila or Railas blessings ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 13, 2011 12:24:21 GMT 3
This young lady is HOT!!!! Agree - Tightest
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 12, 2011 19:16:59 GMT 3
At least Ruto now blames poverty as the reason some people provided information about his link to the the PEV. That is quite a climb down from the much peddled nonsense that it was Raila who was working with Ocampo to fix him at the Hague so that the said Raila can move to a new address at State House. May be Ruto should send memos to some of his more wired up supporters even here in Jukwaa who still believe that if Ruto's case is confirmed then it will be the work of some agents working with Ocampo to get rid of Ruto. But the analysis of the case by Mr. Mwangi there is spot on. That is what we have argued here for some time now even as the celebrations of an imminent Ruto acquittal has been underway. We have said that merely pointing out some inconsistencies in the some witness testimonies is not enough. One has to prove that they were never in any way, shape of form involved in the whatever crimes were being committed. That was Kosgey's defense. Kosgey never disputed that crimes were committed. He never disputed that some organized gangs could have been responsible. All he argued was that he was never part of any such scheme. His case is also helped by the fact that he was only cited by one witness as far as we know and also by the fact that he(Kosgey) never brought up any witnesses like the others whose own witnesses created more problems for them. So as people literally break their necks trying to read the yet to be written verdicts by the three judges I think it is safe to say that some of the three folks whose case has so far been handled will face the actual trial. December 24, 2011 could turn out to be one hell of a day either way. In any event, the fact that suspects are sweating it out at Hague is a great step foward for the country. And that is just the beginning. It is interesting that all the madness and tribal vitriol we had before the first Hague appearance when Uhuru went crazy with tribal insults and the Ocampo mob held endless "prayer" rallies to menace the whole country with threats of fire and brimstone have now died out. Reality has settled in. Ruto came back to the country without the pomp and hubris like before where they tried to turn themselves into modern day freedom fighters being persecuted for their patriotism. I think these chaps are beginning to understand that they are being prosecuted for horrible crimes against Kenyans and they better prove their innocence or else! On the contrary Its How ODM and Raila have handled themselves this time around i.e. No letters to U.N. Council , no rallies advocating and supporting Ruto and Co- to be taken to Hague ,not opposing Constitutional appointments. Miguna tantrums during the first trip to hague also evoked emotions. And most importantly the working relationship between The President and Prime Minister - Something Raila and ODM should have learnt from the word go but oh well was Miguna as the coalition adviser influencing the relationship ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 9, 2011 12:32:50 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Sept 8, 2011 8:23:26 GMT 3
Job & Adongo
A question to you . If NSIS planted witnesses to fix Ruto & Co . Why didnt ODM come out strongly and defend Ruto and Co ?Why then did ODM write letters to U.N. council to reject deferral bid ? Why is ODM trying to kick Ruto & co out of ODM ? Why did Raila drop Ruto and Co from their ministerial posts?
All in all the bottom line is ,ODM erred by advocating for Ruto and Co to be taken to I.C.C. The repercussions are brutal in both case scenarios If the case goes to trial or If It doesnt . Trying to spin the narrative by bringing up NSIS wont add any value to Railas presidential bid .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 17:06:52 GMT 3
I was hopeful that my friends Nowayhah and others would have shared with Jukwaa Migunaz Hague experience by now. Well, Miguna Miguna was at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport check-in counter for the Kenya Airways flight 0116 to The Hague at exactly 6:30 am on April 5th, 2011. This is Miguna’s account. “In fulfillment of my solemn undertaking to readers two weeks ago that I would escort the Ocampo Six on their sojourn with pomp and ceremony. Before boarding the 8 am flight, I looked around but couldn’t see any of my “privileged” companions. However, upon entering the business class cabin, I saw Gen (Rtd) Hussein Ali hunched over some papers. I tried to make eye contact, but the General seemed preoccupied with more important matters. So, I made my way to my right front window seat. The General sat one row behind me to the extreme left. For thirty minutes after taking my seat, I kept glancing over to see if the General would spare me a fleeting greeting. When I failed to get his attention, I gathered enough courage and went over his seat, extended my warm hand and said: “Good morning Commissioner! I’m here.” “I am also here;” he responded icily. “Well, I just wanted to say ‘good luck’,” I said as he smiled drily. I lingered on briefly, thinking that he would say something but he retreated back to what looked like some legal briefs. I made my way back to my seat. The General kept his long and forlorn face glued onto his papers. I couldn’t blame him for worrying over what might await him at The Hague. After all, he was facing the worst crimes anybody could be charged with. After we had been in the air for three hours, the General moved to the first seat in the front left row. The business cabin was only one third full. He continued either reading or looking outside through the window. At some point, he dozed off and I suddenly noticed the entry into the cabin of a young well built Somali looking man. He walked past me and lingered on before taking a seat between the General and me. But he only sat for less than five minutes before returning to his seat at the back. Only then did I realise that the General was travelling with bodyguards. The plane took off exactly at 8:15 a.m. And for the next eight hours between Nairobi and Amsterdam, the General either pored or peered on his papers or into the clouds through the window. On arrival at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, I realised that the General didn’t intend to alight with the other passengers. He sat there glumly as others rushed to leave. Immediately outside the plane, there were more than 15 heavily armed police and immigration officers. They were scrutinising all passengers’ travel documents. I found that unnerving and quite unusual. I have previously travelled through the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport for years on end but this was the only time I have seen such demonstration of “coercive force”.
We went through the screening uneventfully walked to the immigration checkout counter. After another thorough screening, most disembarking passengers went to the baggage retrieval carousels. We picked our luggage and started leaving. There, I met two Kenyan lawyers who are working - behind the scenes on the ICC cases - for Uhuru Kenyatta. They were met outside by a white lady who immediately checked their “credentials” and whisked them away. Outside, I met three Citizen TV journalists staking out General Hussein Ali. They had been at the airport for at least two hours. I stayed around with them for another hour but there were no signs of the General. It appeared that the General had been picked up from the plane by Kenya’s diplomatic representatives at The Hague. That’s the only way he could have avoided going through normal immigration and customs procedures. Needless to say, I got a ride from the Citizen TV reporters to The Hague. They were disappointed not to have had the usual clip of the General. My first night at The Hague was quiet but chilly. The next day, I was woken up by calls from Kenya, which I couldn’t answer. The roaming charges are outrageous. I texted informing them to either text me or use the hotel landline number. At 9 am on Wednesday April 6th, I went for breakfast and met a bunch of Kenyan journalists covering the historic cases. Most had barely slept. They seemed to have spent most of last night zooming between Amsterdam and The Hague. Apparently, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey, Joshua Sang, the AG Amos Wako, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko and many other Ocampo Six coteries arrived in different flights last night and early that morning. Unlike the music, wailings and ululations at the JKIA; the scenes at Amsterdam were eerily silent. Those who had been running around the country issuing threats and chest-thumping are now shells of themselves. They are drawn, cold and shaken. I understand Ruto arrived crest-fallen. Fear was written all over his face. The “hero” has suddenly realised the enormity of that cases facing him and how inconsequential his bravado is to the ICC process. Their lawyers that arrived earlier have been running around breathlessly here, not knowing what to do, particularly after the unanimous ruling by the Pre-Trial Chamber II. That ruling was merely a warning that the judges shall not entertain churlish comedy at the highest and most respected criminal court in the world. If Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto and Francis Muthaura thought that they could intimidate the Court - that ruling - denied them a chance to turn their first appearances into political theatre. Now they should know that their cases shall go on – their presidential ambitions notwithstanding. Credible accounts confirm that more than 120 people - including Moses Kuria and numerous from State House, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and State Law Office - have traveled to The Hague as members of the “state delegation”, their travel and related costs and expenses irregularly paid for by the public and facilitated by the Kenyan High Commission at The Hague. It is unfortunate that public officers like the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions who are supposed to prosecute criminals on behalf of the people are now acting at the behest of those accused of committing crimes against humanity. Who will protect the victims of those crimes? Who will prosecute the Ocampo Six now that the AG and Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions have become the Ocampo Six’s Advocates? Although I am a senior government employee; I wasn’t met by our embassy officials nor facilitated by them in any way whatsoever. Whereas Joshua arap Sang, Moses Kuria, and other PNU/KKK busy bodies were being chaperoned around in limousines at the public expense; I have been travelling by train and tram. The Ocampo Six and their “official” escorts have been booked in expensive five star hotels. I’m not complaining. However, it needs pointing out that what we are seeing is but a glimpse of the looting spree and mismanagement of public resources by the PNU/KKK faction within government. What exactly are they trying to prove to the ICC by bringing 120 rowdy youth to the Court? Is that a demonstration of how powerful and influential the Ocampo Three (Uhuru, Muthaura and Ruto) are? The public must demand full accounting of the money being spent on six people accused of the worst crimes in the world whereas nothing significant has been spent on the real victims of the PEV. Miguna is the PM’s advisor on Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Eblog/view/Hague-experience-by-Miguna-Miguna.html#commentsIt is evident Miguna has never been a frequent flier . If you have been flying frequently you will know that passengers from African Airlines are thoroughly scrutinized especially at schipol and after the Nigerian tried to Bomb Northwest airlines headed to detroit back in Dec 2009.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 15:57:35 GMT 3
Global village reality unfolds across Kenya They sat quietly, sipping tea served with chapati or mandazi, while others opted for soft drinks — the only beverage the Mututho Laws allowed at the time. At that moment on Thursday, Kenyans witnessed the reality that the world is indeed, a global village. In Nairobi, some marvelled at the advancement of technology that made The Hague come so close yet was so far away, while in Eldoret, they listened pensively as three of the ICC accused and their lawyers introduced themselves. Making full use of the ICC built-in video that offers live broadcasts to the world, Eldoret residents jammed restaurants and hotels where they openly showed their loyalty for the accused and disliking for the ICC in equal measure. In this one way communication, the court, thousands of miles away, was immunity against being whisked into cells for contempt. Mr William Ruto was applauded for his spirited bid to state his innocence from Day One; Mr Sang’ elicited laughter when he introduced himself as an innocent journalist. The Eldoret North MP also cheered when he likened the charges against him to a movie. Many freely laughed off what they described as unreasonable allegations against their leaders. “These trials should be speeded up. (Mr) Ruto seems very upset by the allegations and the faster the truth comes out the better,” noted Mr Geoffrey Okello, when the MP was cut short as he tried to explain his innocence. Some supported calls by Mr Kosgey that the suspects be furnished with more detail about the nature of their accusations to enable them prepare adequately. “The beginning has indicated that the process is likely to be fair and our leaders seem sure of their innocence,” said Mr Hezekiah Tarus, who was watching the unfolding events from a hotel near the main bus terminus. He added: “A ruling should be made before the General Election so those with presidential interests can contest.” In the city’s Kawangware Sokoni, self-acclaimed political analysts took strategic positions and “wittingly” broke down the ICC process to eager ears. “Our ears are at The Hague though we are physically in Kawangware,” 20-year-old Ali Chez told the Nation. There was no electricity in the area, so TVs were dead. But residents were content with the radio commentaries in the various radio stations both by presenters and guests. Suspended minister William Ruto, Tinderet MP Henry Kosgey and vernacular radio presenter Joshua Sang were in the dock of courtroom 1 at 10.33am. It was as though all radios in matatus, taxis and personal cars had been switched on. “If local courts have nullified elections of MPs because of irregularities, I’m confident we can sort out the post election violence cases,” said Mr Mwangi Erastus from Kawangware. Discussions were mainly by the youth and men while the women preferred to follow from what they considered a safe distance. Mr Stephen Karuru, 25, a trader, stressed the need to focus on forgiveness and reconciliation before resorting to international courts for justice. He cited Rwanda as a success story where genocide perpetrators have been rehabilitated and are performing community service. “Our 43 tribes are united by one flag and constitution,” Mr Karuru pointed out. Mr David Ndung’u a taxi driver called on the government to focus on settling IDPs instead of funding the international trips. “Our brothers and sisters are still suffering in the camps,” he said Others were however, disappointed that too much emphasis had been given to The Hague at the expense of issues like the World Health Day that was nationally celebrated at the Riruta Health Centre in Kawangware. Kenyans escorting the Ocampo Six comprises 107 people, including 40 MPs, political activists, relatives and supporters. Take to the stand On Friday, Deputy Prime minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Civil Service boss Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali take to the stand in the same court at 4.30pm. Kawangware residents hope there will be electricity. On Thursday, some IDPs interviewed, said the government should establish a local tribunal to try other post poll suspects. “We are advocating for a local mechanism that will see the small fish who were used to commit various atrocities also see their day in court,” said David Karanja from Burnt Forest. North Rift IDPs chair Stephen Gathuo appealed to Kenyans to wait for The Hague process to be completed saying if there was insufficient evidence the suspects, they would remain free. In Tinderet Constituency where Mr Kosgey comes from, there was an aura of calm as the ICC proceedings went on. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Global+village+reality+unfolds+across+Kenya++/-/1064/1140840/-/12qadc6z/-/index.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 14:41:13 GMT 3
Sinister indeed! They all can rot somewhere where they ought. God bless Kenya, God bless Kenyans, God bless the true spirit of patriotism, love and unity of kenya. GOD RESTORE KENYA. May all these six politisicians/"leaders" (and all others who may be) get all that they deserve and which is surely coming their way! Astroturfing at its best. The administrators of the page are busy deleting comments that are perceived to be anti Ocampo 6 to give a perception that people are against the ICC process.... First and foremost, to all our fans and supporters in our cause, we are truly thankful. Since this website has elicited enough talk, both positive and negative, kindly allow us to make some clarifications regarding some of the unanswered questions or accusations we have encountered so far. About us: There are a lot of questions about who we are, and who is funding us. We clarify here, for interest of peace, justice and accountability that we are not funded by anyone and neither do we have any political affiliation with anyone, be it an individual politician or a political party. We are the Friends of Kenya, as we have consistently said, hellbent on unearthing the truth regarding the trials of the Ocampo Six suspects. We truly want justice to all the IDP’s & we look forward to them being settled forever. But in the same vein, we cannot stand, as dignified citizens and friends of Kenya and watch some people vilify and condemn innocent people unheard. May justice be done, through informed debate and credible evidence, not through shouting, pointing fingers and manipulation of facts. (Watch out for the evidence we shall be releasing soon). You can read more about us and what we believe in below. www.ocamposix.com/about-usUsage of our Website and Making Comments: We have received enough comments that we are deleting or refusing to accept some comments. We confirm the accusations to the affirmative. The comments we have rejected are outrightly abusive and devoid of a decent language. As civilised citizens, we CANNOT and WE SHALL NOT publicize such comments. And for this, we truly have no apology about it. We accept divergent opinions but MUST be addressed and communicated in a decent manner. A good case in point is the two letters – One addressed to the PM and another divergent one. If you must comment or disagree, please do so but maintain decorum and decency in your comments. Disclaimer: Since this website will be publishing divergent opinions, we wish to clarify that not everything represents our official stand or position. The information/articles will be meant to engage in decent intellectual debate in helping to unearth the truth about the matter in question. Thank you in advance for your co-operation.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 14:29:13 GMT 3
www.ocamposix.com/frequently-asked-questions-f-a-qs-on-kenyas-post-election-violence-2007/Following the Kenya’s Post Election Violence of 2007 after the disputed general elections, there are many questions that remain unanswered. Below are some of the hottest questions which many Kenyans and the world in general are still grappling with. We hope that in due course, we shall be able to find the answers to these questions and we shall share them here together with the relevant/accompanying evidence. Do you think the ICC prosecutions will give Kenyans justice and help to cool the high political temperatures? * Don't Know 63 5% of all votes * No 777 62% of all votes * Yes 414 33% of all votes Total Votes: 1254 Started: March 28, 2011 Do you think the ICC prosecutor, Moreno Ocampo did his own independent investigations or relied on KHRC and other NGO's to gather his evidence? * Relied on KHRC & Other NGO's 856 69% of all votes * Did his own investigations 343 28% of all votes * Don't Know 35 3% of all votes Total Votes: 1234 Started: March 28, 2011 Do you think the Ocampo Six ICC prosecutions at the Hague are a threat to National Security and Regional Peace and Stability? * Yes 763 63% of all votes * No 419 35% of all votes * Don't Know 29 2% of all votes Total Votes: 1211 Started: March 28, 2011 Do you think the Kenya Government was justified calling for the deferral of the Kenya's post election violence cases at the Hague? * Yes 729 63% of all votes * No 406 35% of all votes * Don't Know 25 2% of all votes Total Votes: 1160 Started: March 28, 2011 Should the African Union (AU) member states pull out of the ICC Rome Convention? * Yes 736 62% of all votes * No 425 36% of all votes * Don't Know 26 2% of all votes Total Votes: 1187 Started: March 28, 2011 Do you support Justice Kaul Hans explanation on why the Ocampo Six should be prosecuted in Kenya? * Yes 753 64% of all votes * No 388 33% of all votes * Don't Know 31 3% of all votes Total Votes: 1172 Started: March 28, 2011 Do you think ODM is justified in sacrificing its own members to the ICC (Hague) process? * Yes 359 31% of all votes * No 778 66% of all votes * Don't Know 38 3% of all votes Total Votes: 1175 Started: April 1, 2011 Which community was most affected by the Post Election Violence in Kenya following the disputed presidential elections of 2007? * Mijikenda 46 4% of all votes * Kalenjin 210 18% of all votes * Kikuyu 848 73% of all votes * Luo 51 4% of all votes Total Votes: 1155 Started: April 1, 2011 Who was the first Kenyan National leader to go public and plead with youths to remain calm and give peace and dialogue a chance when the violence broke out? * Kalonzo Musyoka 57 5% of all votes * Martha Karua 28 2% of all votes * Raila Odinga 317 26% of all votes * Uhuru Kenyatta 731 61% of all votes * Don't Know 64 5% of all votes Total Votes: 1197 Started: April 1, 2011 Who called for mass action and coined the slogan 'No Raila, No Peace' following Kenya's disputed 2007 presidential elections? * James Orengo 243 21% of all votes * Anyang Nyong 781 67% of all votes * William Ruto 79 7% of all votes * Uhuru Kenyatta 14 1% of all votes * Don't Know 55 5% of all votes Total Votes: 1172 Started: April 1, 2011 Who among the following presidential contenders lost 2007 general elections and declared that he/she will not accept the results nor seek the courts legal redress and instead called for mass action? * Pius Muiru 11 1% of all votes * Uhuru Kenyatta 23 2% of all votes * Charity Ngilu 3 0% of all votes * Kalonzo Musyoka 44 4% of all votes * Raila Odinga 1059 93% of all votes Total Votes: 1140 Started: April 1, 2011 Who among the following politicians/institutions has helped the IDP's most? * Raila Odinga 47 4% of all votes * William Ruto 22 2% of all votes * Uhuru Kenyatta 492 43% of all votes * Ministry of Special Programs 591 51% of all votes * Police Department 5 0% of all votes Total Votes: 1157 Started: April 1, 2011
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 12:50:34 GMT 3
MPs allied to Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto have said they are satisfied with the manner in which the International Criminal Court handled three post election violence suspects. Addressing journalists at Parliament Buildings Thursday evening, MPs Mwangi Kiunjuri (Laikipia East), Aden Duale (Dujis) and Njoroge Baiya (Githunguri), Joshua Kutuny (Cherengany) and Benjamin Langat (Ainamoi) expressed confidence that justice will be delivered at The Hague. They described as ''professional’’ the manner in which the court handled Mr Ruto, his Tinderet counterpart Henry Kosgey and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang. Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura, Mr Kenyatta and Postmaster General Hussein Ali are due to appear before the Pre-Trial Chamber Friday afternoon. The MPs also announced that the planned rally to welcome the Ocampo six from The Hague had been moved from Sunday to Monday at Nairobi's Uhuru Park following logistical problems in rescheduling the flights for the six Kenyans. Mr Kiunjuri, the chair of the coordinating committee, said the meeting will start at 11am adding that it had been cleared by the Town Clerk Philip Kisia Mr Kisia said Thursday evening he had given the all clear to the organisers to hold the meting. Separately, the Central Kenya MPs association chairman Ephraim Maina and ODM chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo pleaded with MPs to embark on a national reconciliation and healing effort to guard against ethnic hostilities and division. Mr Maina asked MPs to ensure Parliament fast-tracks crucial reform bills key to establishment of a credible judiciary and police force by September. The ICC judges set September 1 as the date when confirmation hearing of the Ocampo Six will start. “We must now concentrate on enacting laws that will lead to creation of a tenable judicial mechanism and ensure it is in place by September when the Six return to the Hague. With this, the country will be able to argue for a deferral and transfer of the case home,’’ the Mathira MP said at a press conference in his Nairobi office. Mr Midiwo said Kenyans must now begin to heal and reconcile through finding a credible mechanism similar to the one used in the post South Africa apartheid. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1140986/-/7qr43d/-/index.html
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 12:36:56 GMT 3
Why these two Kenyan lawyers wore their earphone/translators still baffles me... For a moment I thought these were Sang's lawyers until I saw the Kilo10 guy... ama these things can be used to transmit a "mwakenya" to them? ;D ;D ;D The proceedings were in English, their client spoke in English, they understand and speak English well, so what's with the earpieces? Ama ni ushamba tu ya kawaida kwao? Lakini for real, why did they wear them...? Kutojua? Kutoelewa? Vioja Mahakamani... Okolowaka, Yes the proceedings can be in English but it should be the accent which makes them wear the earphone/translators. Were you able to have a chance to watch Sangs interview after the proceeding ? He said he cant understand Ocampos English .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 12:30:02 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 11:32:44 GMT 3
Somebody needs to have this guy's brain examined. i mean if somebody engages you in ranting, name calling, hate speech and what have you. without offering any meaningful credible challenge in terms of facts like is the case with this noway guy. Debates lose their sole meaning. Noway, how many times have you been told here that calling for mass action is not a crime under kenyan laws or even in international laws, must we be banging this into your head everyday? You lower the value of debates here and as somebody has just mentioned jukwaa is very respected forum and this yelling, ranting will have to stop especially when you start sounding like Alfred Mutua or worse Moses kuria. Grow up pal you can do better than this surely! Mzalendo please stop the insults. Who has talked of Mass actions . Its is a fact that Raila built his campaign platform on ethnic incitement against a community and this is what lead to the P.E.V. even Adongo alludes to this in a previous post - and for this reason I gave him a pat on the back. Now that you have brought this issue of Mass Actions ,just a question could have Mass Actions been a coded message to mean Mass Killings ? were the calls for Mass Actions or peaceful Mass Actions?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 9:04:29 GMT 3
This is ODM-Raila trying to play offensive . The issue of letters died during 2007 elections even you Adongo can fake a letter and purport its P.N.U. propagandists who have made that letter. This is why we asked UhuRuto to go to the people . Hakuna mambo ya letter na press conferences - hiyo wachia Nyongo Midiwo na Kajwangs - they are not effective as they were in 2007
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 8, 2011 9:00:43 GMT 3
What is evident is that Raila thrashing will not end , in fact it will intensify . The judges know that any warrant of arrest will even complicate the situation in Kenya and might even lead to severe clashes than witnessed in 2007. (Simple if they have evidence the Ocampo 6 are hate speeching , why not arrest them immediately ? )
So ODM-Raila braze yourselves for more Raila bashing starting from this sunday.
This will be the line of attack if Ruto can tell the judge straight in his face - This is a movie . what will prevent him telling his supporters this is a movie ocherstrated by Raila .
Check his interview right after the appearing in the court.
And thankyou ODM-Raila supporters for continuing acting the Ostrich .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 18:42:18 GMT 3
NAIROBI, Kenya, April 7 - Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta who arrived at The Hague on Thursday has expressed confidence that the truth about the post election violence will emerge. Mr Kenyatta jetted out of the country on Wednesday night in time for his appointment with the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Friday afternoon along with Civil Service chief Francis Muthaura and former police commissioner Hussein Ali. “Truth will in itself come out and ultimately we believe in justice. We believe that the court is able to dispense this case. We are signatories to the Rome Statute and justice indeed will prevail,” the Deputy Premier told reporters at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport before his departure. He arrived in the Netherlands on Thursday, accompanied by his wife and other relatives. Cabinet ministers Yusuf Hajji, Sam Ongeri, Naomi Shaban, and Mwangi Kiunjuri were among a host of MPs who were at the airport to see off the Deputy PM to The Hague. The Finance Minister is accused of sponsoring Mungiki adherents to launch retaliatory attacks in the Rift Valley, something ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo said was the focal point of the violence. On Thursday, William Ruto, Henry Kosgey and Joshua arap Sang appeared before the pre trial chamber judges who warned that they risked being detained at The Hague if they continued with their public spat that could retrigger the violence of 2008. Presiding Judge Ekaterina Trendafilova told Messrs Ruto, Kosgey and Sang that the court would not hesitate to order their arrests if they breached the conditions. “It has come to the knowledge of the Chamber by way of following some articles in the Kenyan newspapers that there are some movements towards retriggering the violence in the country by way of using some dangerous speeches,” judge Trendafilova said. The judge said such action could be perceived as inducement which may constitute a breach of one of the conditions set out in the summonses to appear namely not to continue committing the crimes within the jurisdiction of the court. “Accordingly, this might prompt the Chamber to replace the summonses to appear with warrants of arrest,” the judge warned. Thursday’s session of the court was held to inform the suspects the charges filed against them by Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo. The three suspects were first required to confirm their identities one by one, to satisfy the court that they were indeed the suspects listed in the charge sheet prepared by the ICC Prosecutor. Immediately after the confirmation of the suspects’ identities, charges were read to them before the judge asked them to state and confirm if they understood them. Read more: www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Uhuru-arrives-for-Hague-date-12354.html#ixzz1IquEs5C9Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 18:41:25 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 18:35:03 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 18:33:19 GMT 3
Ruto's post_ICC appearance interview with Citizen. He seems to take pride in his court antics and accuses Ocampo of fabricating, manufacturing and choreographing a story to charge innocent people. In light of the conditions read out, I wonder what is and what may not be considered a breach. Ruto never ceases t amaze. Thanx Nana - Ill add this video to ICC SUSPECT -WILLIAM RUTO .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 17:45:01 GMT 3
Ok Adongo, See your previous post . You preach water and drink wine . dude, do you even understand the topic here? This is Sarah Elderkin, one of the premier journalists in our country. She has out a piece addressing the national myopia some people want to drag the country into. She has used the Kuria stupid nonsense as a back drop. She raises fundamental issues and from the response many people here in Jukwaa are interested in her piece. And you want me to waste time with you. If you have nothing to say about what Ms Elderkin has said, just shut the f up. OK. I have got other things to do. Thank you. Adongo , I know Sarah very well , while growing up , used to read Ngweno's Weekly Review and Gatabaki's Finance . This is not the Sarah of that era but Railas aide .
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