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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 17:15:45 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 16:14:53 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/State+House+blames+ministries+over+public+jobs/-/1056/1140538/-/9xcnduz/-/index.htmlState House has said it is not directly responsible for the skewed nature of employees at the seat of the presidency. Instead, it blamed line ministries for seconding staff and said it is not involved the direct recruitment directly. "For public information we wish to point out that State House employees are ordinarily seconded from relevant ministries depending on the requirements of the department at any one time. "The secondments are flexible and are determined by the technical and other professional requirements of the State Houses or Lodges located in various parts of the country, " said statement signed by State House Comptroller Nelson Githinji. State House said it had taken cognisance of the issue raised by the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) and said it relevant ministries should take remedial action. "We have, however, taken cognizance of the report by NCIC and will be requesting the relevant Ministries to be more sensitive to ethnic balances in all future secondments to State House." "We also wish to inform the public that the policy of State House is under the general principles of Employment Act 2007 which states that “No employer shall discriminate directly against an employee on the grounds of race/ethnicity, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other option”. On Wednesday, a survey undertaken by the NCIC gave shocking details of how political patronage and personality-based leadership had reduced the civil service into an exclusive club of the big communities at the expense of the so called small communities. According to the survey, members of the Kikuyu, Kalenjin, Luhya, Kamba and Luo communities occupy 70 per cent of all jobs in the civil service. The Kikuyu lead the pack with 22.3 per cent of all civil service jobs, followed by the Kalenjin (16.7 per cent), Luhya (11.3 per cent), Kamba (9.7 per cent), Luo (9.0 per cent) and Kisii (6.8 per cent).
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 14:30:55 GMT 3
I don't have time for your foolishness. You obviously don't get it. Just go away. Ok? Ok Adongo, See your previous post . You preach water and drink wine . Thanks job, Other that or they post ten things on the same stuff. I know there is already a thread on this annoying behaviour .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 14:04:39 GMT 3
www.ocamposix.com/Fellow Kenyans, Today marks the beginning of the journey of unearthing the Truth. We kindly appeal to our Friends and the whole Nation at Large to remain united and pray for our beloved Nation. As to our friends and supporters, we say this you, “May God always be with you and bless you in all your endavours. Please remain calm because sooner than later, the Truth shall surely set us FREE”. May God bless you all. May God bless Kenya. Ocamposix.com is a website developed and managed by Friends of Kenya both locally and internationally. Our mission is to unearth the hidden truth about the Post Election Violence (PEV) in Kenya following the disputed presidential elections for we strongly believe that only the truth shall set us free. Most of us having been in Kenya during the violence, had the privilege to witness first hand the events as they unfolded during the Kenya Post Election Violence of 2007. We truly and seriously sympathise with the plight of the Kenya Internally Displaced Persons (IDP’s) and we shall do everything possible to make sure they are resettled and shall forever enjoy peace and tranquility in their neighbourhoods. We believe that every Kenyan adult regardless of his age, race, sex or social standing has the right to buy property and settle in any corner of our beloved motherland. We strongly believe that most of what has been reported and given as evidence is one sided and given with ulterior motives. We, the Friends of Kenya, therefore decided to give our side of the story as we know it. We challenge anybody, regardless of his or her social standing, with any information and evidence to the contrary to produce it to us or make it publicly like we have done our evidence and we shall be glad and humbled to correct any errors that may be found in our submissions. Being civilized citizens, we strongly condemn the masterminds and the foot soldiers of the post election violence in Kenya. But in the same vein, we uphold the rule of law that everyone is innocent until proven guilty and that justice must be served equally to both the accused and the victims. We therefore publicly state that no one should be condemned unheard and that the busy bodies running around trying to condemn or deny justice to any group should be condemned with the strongest words possible. We, the friends of Kenya, being part of the global community and law abiding citizens admired the spirit of the ICC court during its formation. But we are greatly perturbed by its metamorphosis into a monster whose main objective is to concentrate on petty crimes/offences in Africa instead of focusing its energy in dealing with serious and despicable crimes and atrocities committed by the west against innocent poor defenseless citizens of the world e.g. in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Palestine e.t.c. Is it not a mockery of justice and of our intellect that some of the big mouths agitating for the trial of the Kenya’s post election violence suspects at the Hague are themselves (their countries) not signatories to the ICC Rome Convention? Their lies may sprint and spread faster, but the truth shall run the marathon, go far and win. We appeal to Kenyans and our fellow global citizens particularly our dear brothers and sisters in Africa to be forever vigilant against the sinister motives and the double speak of the the West. We have been there once (colonization)….we cannot afford to make another mistake. As our national anthem says, may God bless our nation, may justice be our shield and defender and may we forever live in unity, peace and liberty and plenty be found within our borders. Amen!
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 11:49:41 GMT 3
11: 40 The Judge thanks the parties for conducting themselves professionally and calls to a close the initial appearance of Ruto, Kosgey and Sang.
11: 38 Judge Trendafilova tells the registry to make arrangements for the status conference at 9am on April 18.
11:36 She says ten days will be enough to provide this information.
11: 34 Defence invited to indicate whether they intend to provide rebuttal documents and if they will call witnesses.
11: 33 At the conference, she says the prosecutor should make available an estimate of overall amount of documents he wants to use in the confirmation hearing, witnesses he intends to call and their statements.
11: 31 Judge Trendafilova says a status conference would be necessary on April 18 and the prosecutor, defence and registry are welcome but and informs the suspects they need not appear.
11: 30 Mr Hooper for Ruto says he has just been informed of the confirmation date and requests if it can be brought forward but the Judge tells him it is beneficial to his client.
11: 27 Prosecutor Moreno-Ocampo says he request full disclosure.
11:26 Judge says it has set September 1 as date of confirmation of charges hearing, but she says the date may be subject to change.
11: 24 She says if Chamber satisfied with evidence it will set a trial date.
11: 23 Judge: You will have adequate time to prepare your defence, no undue delay to be prosecuted if case goes to trial.
11: 22 Judge Trendafilova tells the suspects they are innocent until proven guilty , the right to access material incriminating them, right to rebut the charges.
11: 20 Mr Kosgey and Mr Sang say they have been informed of their rights, but Sang claims one has been broken.
11:19 Mr Ruto says his lawyers have had occasion to inform him of his rights and again protests his innocence.
11:17 The judge asks the suspects if they have been informed of their rights.
11: 15 Mr Sang says he had been informed of the charges.
11: 13 Mr Kosgey says that he has been "sufficiently informed" but the details of the crimes have not been provided to him.
11:10 The Judge tells Mr Ruto that he is represented by able lawyers and that he will have an opportunity to raise his arguments.
11: 08 Mr Ruto says the charges read like a movie script.
11: 06 Mr Ruto says he has been "sufficiently informed" of his alleged crimes and says that he has made a prior but unsuccessful move to rebut the charges at The Hague.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 10:31:59 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 10:28:27 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 10:14:22 GMT 3
Is there a video or transcript of the speech? I am glad the Rt Hon Prime Minister made the speech. The timing was priceless, because the Nation has no National leader worth talking about. We have obstreperous tribalists hogging the media space space because they own it but thankfully they have a date with Ocampo. Then we have the somnolent one who never has anything to say when the country burns. So the void is there. And this fits perfectly well with my thinking, that progressive forces have to maintain the current Narrative, i.e keep the IDPs, survivors in the limelight too, while calling for justice. Politic Here you are NAIROBI, Kenya Apr 6 - Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Wednesday urged the International Criminal Court to ensure justice prevails during the initial appearance of six Kenyans on Thursday and Friday.In his address to the Kenyan nation, Mr Odinga described the process which begins on Thursday as both 'unprecedented and unfortunate.'"Beginning tomorrow, six of our citizens will appear as suspects at the International Criminal Court at The Hague in relation to the post-election violence of 2007-2008. From the ICC, we expect nothing but justice for the victims and a fair process for the suspects," Mr Odinga said in his live televised address. He also urged Kenyans to maintain peace as the ICC process progresses. "As a nation, let us reflect on the two months in which Kenya burnt under the trail of destruction and pain left behind and how we pulled together from the brink of disintegration of our nation," he said."Over this weekend beginning Friday, the people of Kenya will be saying prayers for all those who still grieve; for the children whose worlds were shattered, for parents who lost entire families, for all who feel that their safety and security remain threatened." He said that matter was unique since it was the first time a Kenyan was being tried at the international crimes court. Mr Odinga described the development as inopportune because it is a big statement on the failure of Kenya's national institutions. The Prime Minister refused to be drawn into responding to allegations by two of the Ocampo Six who have accused him of masterminding their prosecution as a way of eliminating them ahead of the next year's general election. In their series of farewell prayer rallies, Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and suspended Higher Education Minister William Ruto accused Mr Odinga of being behind their woes at The Hague. "As you know I have never responded to those allegations, because I know that Kenyans know the truth. I really would like us to focus on the future," he said. He also moved to assure all Kenyans and the international community that the security and stability of the nation was not under threat. "At this moment in our history, I remind our people that a house divided against itself, whether by party, region, religion, or tribe cannot stand. I appeal to Kenyans that we bind our wounds, heal our history and carry on together as one nation and one people," said Mr Odinga. He said that the Kenya had faced trying moments before and appealed to Kenyans to unite for justice and peace. "As a nation, we must never forget why we are where we are. Yet we must also go forward in the spirit of patriotism, reconciliation, tolerance and unity," he said. Four of the Ocampo Six suspects spent the better part of Wednesday familiarising themselves with rules and regulations of the court. Former Police Commissioner Mohammed Hussein Ali who arrived in The Hague on Tuesday night was joined on Wednesday morning by Mr Ruto, his Tinderet counterpart Henry Kosgey and Kass FM presenter Joshua arap Sang who left the country on Tuesday night. The Head of the Public Service Francis Muthaura left Kenya at dawn on Wednesday and was due in the Netherlands on later in the day. Bwana Raila, Kenyans are saying Justice cannot prevail unless you are also held accountable for your actions which led to the P.E.V. Kenyans are insisting if it was not for your ethnic incitement the P.E.V. wouldnt have occurred . So it is hypocritical when you address the nation on I.C.C. where as you are supposed to be in the Hague as the suspect who bears the biggest responsibility The process is unprecedented and unfortunate for the Kenya but for you Bwana Raila it is precedent and fortunate . Reason 1. As far as the people of Riftvalley and Central are concerned you ignited the fire by inciting Kenyans to go after each others neck . Where as people of Rift valley and Central want reconciliation through their rightfully elected leaders and Justice they are flabbergasted to see when their leaders are in the process of reconciling communities you still continue to incite them by labeling the KK . Riftvalley and Central people want Justice and that is seeing you also in Hague . 2. You are trying to use the I.C.C. process to remove you political opponents from the way . This can be proven by the letter your party faction ODM-Raila wrote to I.C.C. why the cases should not be differed nor referred to Kenya . 3You are trying to play politics with I.D.P.S and MAU I.D.P.S. through Orengos ministry which can lead to another era of violence and division in the country Yes we should reflect about when the nation burnt - But it is widely known that the nation burnt because of you - NO RAILA NO PEACE. . We never saw a banner No Ruto No Peace nor No Uhuru No Peace . People were slaugtering others while yelling NO RAILA NO PEACE. Yes we should pray for the people who lost lives and were affected by the P.E.V. and for our future safety . We should pray that the real culprits like you Raila who went of the book should be held accountable for those crimes so that we can have a safer Kenya where violence initiated by you wont re-occur . You have not responded to UhuRutos allegations because it is the utmost truth and Kenyans know the reason of your involvement -2012 elections. We are where we are because of you . You were the reason of violence , you have refused to work as a team with Kibaki . A pose this question to you Bwana Prime Minister - In your term as a Prime Minister what have you done ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 9:40:10 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1140088/-/7qqw1b/-/index.htmlUhuru, Ruto thanksgiving rally set for SundayPublic Works assistant minister Mwangi Kiunjuri said a thanksgiving cum political rally for Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto will be held at Uhuru Park on Sunday April 6, 2011. FILE Public Works assistant minister Mwangi Kiunjuri said a thanksgiving cum political rally for Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto will be held at Uhuru Park on Sunday April 6, 2011. FILE By JOHN NGIRACHU Posted Wednesday, April 6 2011 at 17:40 A thanksgiving cum political rally for Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Eldoret North MP William Ruto, who are part of the Ocampo Six, is scheduled to be held at Uhuru Park on Sunday. MPs allied to the two, who are currently at the International Criminal Court at The Hague, said the rally will start from 11 a.m. “We are very clear that our rally and prayers will be held on the tenth,” said Public Works assistant minister Mwangi Kiunjuri, who has been very vocal in his support of the revived political alliance between Mr Ruto and Mr Kenyatta. “We have a prayer meeting and a political rally. Politicians don’t pray, ours is to do politics,” Dujis MP Adan Duale asserted. The team also showed journalists at the press conference at Parliament a letter from Nairobi Town Clerk Philip Kisia indicating they could use the park on Sunday. They had essentially called the press conference to confirm the official arrival date as well as clear the air on the availability of the park, which has been booked on Friday and Saturday by a non-governmental organisation. Those on the Ruto-Uhuru alliance who have been left behind are tasked with organising their reception as they head back to the country after their day at the ICC. “ICC is a political process. We’re here and we’ll face our enemies, whether in the US, Europe and Kenya, politically and legally,” said Mr Duale. Other MPs at the press conference were: Lewis Nguyai (Kikuyu, PNU), Dr Julius Kones (Konoin, ODM), Luka Kigen (Rongai, ODM), Zakayo Cheruiyot (Kuresoi, ODM) and Benjamin Langat (Ainamoi, ODM). Earlier, ODM rejected claims that the party had booked all public venues on the weekend and Monday to block rivals from holding rallies. "It has come to the attention of the Orange Democratic Movement-ODM that some people are going round claiming that the Party has booked off all the Public venues for the coming weekend through to Monday. "ODM is not in the business of blocking others from doing what they feel is democratic and in the interest of the Nation," said Ms Janet Onger'a, ODM's executive director. "ODM is a party that believes in Democracy and the Rule of Law has no intention whatsoever to undermine the very basics that it leadership has always fought for. "Those peddling such rumours are desperate and cheap propagandists who want to hype their so-called prayer meeting or whatever it is using the popularity our party has across the country. "ODM does not fear competition and therefore, we call on our competitors to carry on with their activities in peace and leave ODM out of their woes," she said
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 7, 2011 9:28:18 GMT 3
During yesterdays opinion count on NTV a question to this effect was tabled - a respondent gave a very good answer- This is what he said - If the same kind of audit is done in hospitals and morgues it would draw the same kind of conclusion as Kibunjas report.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 18:22:30 GMT 3
Thanks job, I think Oloo should deal with some very serious problems of nuisance posts. If people have nothing to say about a particular issue, it is not a sin to shut up. Alternatively Oloo can ask the trash talkers to have one thread where they pile their nonsense for those interested. Otherwise we are destroying the board with mashada like stunts. I don't care what people's opinions are but those who deliberately defacate on every thread with irrelevant stuff are making it a nightmare to read serious discussions. It is a real turn off. Other that or they post ten things on the same stuff. I know there is already a thread on this annoying behaviour but this is a classic example of nuisance trash talkers. We are getting sick of them. This board is not and must not be allowed to become a competition for trash talkers. There is always mashada and they don't see us bothering them there. People should be encouraged to participate and bring whatever they have; poetry, fiction writing, music, personal stories if they want, sports and politics of course but spare us the childishness please. Adongo , This was my take on the PM addressing the Nation before the phils came and started hurling abuses . I rest my case on that - Once the feedback on PM s address starts coming - this will be one of them - It was a diversion tactic . Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=5284&page=1#ixzz1Ikxvbon5
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 18:07:39 GMT 3
Thank you Phil for repeatedly using the term "suspects" - Remember they are innocent till proven guilty . What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans when the real culprits who incited Kenya to go after each other(Read Raila) are not in that suspect list? Further more there is a question i left on the thread about ODM National Polls and NDC Date - The Question was " What happened to the grassroots polls they were scheduled for Mar before postponned to early April . We are in already in April jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4812&page=3#ixzz1IkexQyjD You are now entering the domain of trash-talking just for nuisance value.
Of what relevance is ODM elections in this specific thread. Why don't you address it in the relevant thread. Every time and again, you bring childish heckling into important threads. For hecks sake, this is not mashada and such childish sites. Busy folks who have limited time for crap want to read serious stuff (news, views, analysis) without the time sift through the kind of rubbish you relentlessly inject here.. If your aim is to trash, devalue, and lower the quality of debate and discourse in JUKWAA, you will be gone very soon. This board has zero tolerance on trash-talkers, tribalists, homophones, sexists, religious bigots, cyber-stalkers and such. You definitely qualify to be in this lot - from many aspects.You talk of trash-talking - Ive not insulted anyone in this post - You are twisting facts so that a perception can be created in regards to that . Why write all over the thread instead of sending a PM if you feel that Im now entering that domain you call " trash-talking." ODM elections are very relevant in this thread . Raila Odinga is the leader of the Party and he was scheduled to address the nation , If this was addressed it could have closed this open item .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 17:05:25 GMT 3
You are a bloody conspiracy theorist! That is all I can say. And also an idiot. Pray, what pleasure does one derive from seeing suspected criminals receiving undue publicity? What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans now that post elections violence suspects are being called to account? Hii kelele ya karumaindo rudisha nipate.com. Thank you Phil for repeatedly using the term "suspects" - Remember they are innocent till proven guilty . What value addition is there for the millions of other Kenyans when the real culprits who incited Kenya to go after each other(Read Raila) are not in that suspect list? Further more there is a question i left on the thread about ODM National Polls and NDC Date - The Question was " What happened to the grassroots polls they were scheduled for Mar before postponned to early April . We are in already in April jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4812&page=3#ixzz1IkexQyjD
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 15:25:46 GMT 3
I will wait and read what the PM and hopefully he will connect to the millions of Kenyans who are sick of the circus politics and address real issues affecting the lives of Kenyans even if that will make some people cry because they are missing their Hague clowns. Very interesting real issues affecting lives of Kenya are being addressed at a time when Ocampo 6 are leaving for Hague. ODM-Raila just wants to divert the limelight from the trips Have you noticed the following Yesterday when Kosgey Ruto and Sang were boarding the A/C to hague .Synovate pollsters came out -Majority prefer Hague option Today when Uhuru Muthaura board the A/C to Hague . Kibunja drops a report . Raila addresses the nation on several things including famine." steal the limelight s called " but once again I predict this will backfire just as the other tactics
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 14:26:53 GMT 3
And when you thought ODM-Raila had learned a lesson on the art of when to keep quite .... Now he will give UhuRuto an opportunity and agenda items to tear him apart when they come back from the Hague.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 14:16:19 GMT 3
And let me remind you this too. Kenya promulgated a new constitution on 27-Aug-2010.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 12:26:42 GMT 3
Jukwaa, Finance Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, he who has been yapping about the PM's call for foreign, unbiased lawyers to mid-wife Kenya through the transition to the new order has an all-foreign retinue of Steven Kay as lead counsel, Gillian Higgins as Associate Counsel and Benjamin Joyes as Case Manager. Talk of Nyani haoni kundule! Well I bet the scenario be different If ODM-Raila would not have written to UNSC to bar the cases to be differed or referred to Kenya .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 11:29:18 GMT 3
You people need to learn how to tolerate divergent views. Ive been an avid reader on this forum for a very long time till i decided to join in mainly to keep some of you on check . Seems I ve rubbed some of you in a "bad-way " . Opinions from different people can never be the same especially from a country like Kenya which practices multi party democracy . So dont react to my opinions with animosity . Core of having such FORUMS is to share opinions however different they are. If we can tolerate each others opinion then we will be able to enjoy and learn as much as possible. Noway-haha Because we value divergent views I stopped by to “pep talk” on your cry for relevancy. Stop seeking self relevancy, individualism is of no relevance here, however if you haven’t realized there is a trait that you harbor that is a kin to bastardizing this esteemed forum, there is juvenility in your posting its something that rarely seem to hide itself in most of your littered posts everywhere, whether they add value is of no argument as they fall short .More than not you sound like a heckler and or someone beholding divergent views for the sake of it. Perhaps to help you further can you figure out how others who hold such “other” views express themselves, I know they are a few but you sure can learn something called TACT from them that way you will be on your way to expressing your views with class and earning yourself some RELEVANCY if you are yearning for some! Lets get this straight Kipfirimbi , Iam in noway seeking relevance . If that was the objective , then oh well I would be happy having achieved it . Bottom line Kipfirimbi is if I now change and start singing Raila songs positively then the rhetoric will change from you and your likes . The big picture is the likes of you believe that you are Raila defenders and when somebody says anything negative about Raila however true it is you feel offended I Repeat Your likes need to know how to t olerate divergent views both here in Jukwaa and also in politics at large. As for tactfulness - you dont get it, do you?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 11:13:10 GMT 3
Trying to cover face Job ? Now there are 2 sets of Media . Why then why you generalizing the media ? If you can't discern basic logic in debate, why even attempt to embarrass yourself. You asked why Uhuru is angry at media. My thesis was simple - Uhuru is only angry at specific media that he isn't able to control (which I referred as 'other media' for the purpose of debate - not in abstract terms). Otherwise, he is kosher with media that his family controls - which is trying to rewrite PEV history and sell a narrative far from reality. 'Mainstream' is not synonymous with 'leading', neither is it 'established' or 'old' . Any media entity that is legally registered by government, accenting to ethical & professional regulation by media council, regular in production, with a reasonably widespread audience that is able to sustain business production consistently, qualifies as mainstream media. It may be contemporary in age, with limited audience, but is still mainstream. News reported in K24 TV, or regular contemporary shows in K24 TV like " the bench" or " three sides of a coin", are as mainstream as it gets. An editorial or news report in The Star, is as mainstream as it gets. Mainstream is therefore not confined to good old, The Daily Nation and EA Standard newspapers. Neither is it (on the other hand) a blog or tabloid publication that I don't even remember its name! Absolutely of no relevance to this discussion. Even from Washington DC or other foreign cities (I travel a lot lately), I still watch K24 TV, Citizen TV, KTN, NTV, KBC TV, and read the Standard, Star, Nation, East African, and other mainstream outlets as I wish... On top, I also venture into non-mainstream sources in blogs, tabloids, social media sites et al., time allowing. That's quite subjective. I have read specific Uhuru-friendly columns in the Nation, watched Uhuru-pitching shows in Citizen TV, favourable reporting in KBC TV, a very soft (friendly) interview of Uhuru himself in Citizen TV, and such. On the contrary, certain specific columns or shows/ segments in the same media may be harsher. What is more easy to discern is that the Uhuru family owned media is favourable to his cause. The rest ('other media' for this purpose) is unpredictable and not-absolutely driven by Kenyatta's intended narratives. Table that evidence of 'widely known' "buying" of Pollsters and cartoonists. On the contrary, I will argue that the Synovate Pollster is the most biased against Odinga, through advancing what is called push-polling. Their spatial use of periodic polling is also surreptitiously meant to project a trend that Raila is fading or losing traction and widespread support across the country. I've previosuly stated here in JUKWAA that Synovate's long-term objective is to rob Raila's campaign the momentum in perception. Besides, their leading questions serve nothing more than influencing opinion in a certain way. Those oblivious to these polling tactics will simplistically take an April 2010 Synovate snap poll showing Raila with a wide lead as evidence of Synovate favouring Raila. That is far from the truth. Synovate's deceptive mission lies in projecting trends and trajectories, not snap-shot polling. Along that line, Synovate is right now busy projecting Raila as losing support (compared to last year), just in the same way they are portraying countrywide support for ICC Hague trials as waning. The snap-shot fact that Raila is leading isn't their concern - leading by how much, compared to last year, is their domain. Consume these polls with great caution, and try to research about push-polling! Job you not only use invalid logic to steer a debate but also use false analysis and wrong conclusion . If you go back to the initial quote No ,the media especially Nation group , Citizen some of the Media regarded as mainstream have actually being giving a blackout to the Ocampo 6 especially to the rallies of Uhuru and Ruto just showing 30 second clips of UhuRutos politicking - focusing mostly on what awaits the Ocampo 6. Just but an example Contrary the Standard Media group have been UhuRuto friendly after the naming by Ocampo of the 6 suspects. This can be attested by the news coverage and articles on both on the standard and KTN . ODM-Raila friendly bars (Tao na mtaani) have even switched from KTN to Nation Tv for the 7 O'clock and 9 O'clock evening news . On several occasions Uhuru has been hitting out at the media in particular Nation Tv and Citizen for their bias coverage influenced by the opinions pundits who form a big percentage here in the cyber world but a fraction compared to the views of the people mashinani. Did you go through that interview between Uhuru with Julie ? he told her on the face that you media (read Citizen ) a giving the wrong potryal of the actual happenings on ground . The same for the interview of Ruto - She had to cut Ruto short. Furthermore the opinion sms- the same questions from the said mainstream houses , the results from the polls on the ones from KTN seem to be going Uhurutos way where as from Nation , KBC and Citizen goes against UhuRutos side and lean to ODM-Railas side. On Mainstream Media -It is not about the terminology but what is regarded as mainstream media . The K-24, Nairobi Star and the people are not agenda setting and have limited capabilities to transform or influence perception . Why do you think corporates prefer advertising in lets say Nation TV / KTN Standard/Nation Newspaper to Nairobi star / K24. Even if intelligence agency were to categorize media in Kenya Nation/KTN would fall under mainstream while K24 and Nairobi star would fall under others. Yes you might read newspapers ,see clips etc but the feedback of all those are here in Kenya and this is through the reaction .
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 6, 2011 8:30:34 GMT 3
We must NOT be sent off course by hecklers!! Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak . kie kie kie ;D makelele ya kalamu sivyo? I've just noticed this JUKWAA newcomer with an interesting handle. I was just politely welcoming him. Thanks though! It could be some handle from a bored mashadite or bowener or a recycled handle previously banned here You people need to learn how to tolerate divergent views. Ive been an avid reader on this forum for a very long time till i decided to join in mainly to keep some of you on check . Seems I ve rubbed some of you in a "bad-way " . Opinions from different people can never be the same especially from a country like Kenya which practices multi party democracy . So dont react to my opinions with animosity . Core of having such FORUMS is to share opinions however different they are. If we can tolerate each others opinion then we will be able to enjoy and learn as much as possible.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 17:41:10 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Daktari, hebu wachana na huyu mtu banaa. U are flogging a dead horse so to speak. Tichaz , Sitaachana nahuyu kakabraza kamwe . Nidhahiri shahiri kuwa yuko kwenye misheni ya kupakiza matope wapinzani wake kwa kutumia propaganda isio kipimo. Nitamuandama akwendako kama kivuli kwani ni fursa ya kutambulisha ukumbi uwongo na porojo anozotaka sambaza hapa ukumbini. Aidha uenezaji wa propaganda miakani hii tuliyomo haifai kubaliwa hata ngo'. Miye nitasema ukweli tu .Hamna mengi . Shukran
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 17:16:23 GMT 3
Needless to state - you obviously don't see the Kenyatta-owned media conglomeration (K24 TV, Kameme FM radio, and The People newspaper) and its common anti-ICC guests in Jeff Koinange's bench show (Ngunyi, Matsanga et al.,)..PLUS thier sympathisers in Gitahi's Nation (like Gaitho) ONE ONE HAND driving a different narrative from OTHER MEDIA. It is that OTHER MEDIA (including the Standard and Star newspapers) that Uhuru Kenyatta is angry about. Is there anything hard to comprehend about this simple matter? Absolutely none! Reread my post for the FACTS and seperate them from unsupported myths and baseless allegations.... Trying to cover face Job ? Now there are 2 sets of Media . Why then were you generalizing the media ? K24 , People the Star are not regarded as mainstream media . Are you really in Kenya ? If you have been watching the said Mainstream media you would have noticed KTN is Uhuru friendly compared to Nation ,Citizen and KBC. It is widely known that ODM-Raila buys Pollsters some media people and even cartoonist . Just check the Haris/synovate pollster today . The beauty of it all is people can see through .....remember synovate/Haris is the same pollster which were showing Raila leading over Uhuru in Central and over Ruto in Riftvalley as a presidential contender . what a joke
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 17:03:39 GMT 3
Yes Good Work Balala Has Done Yes Good Work Uhuru has done as Minister Of Finance Yes Good Work Ruto did as Minister in the Agricuture Docket. What has raila done as Prime Minister ? The Credit of Ushering In a new constituion goes to Kibaki Raila ushered in the NEW CONSTITUTION OF KENYA WITH KENYANS CITIZENS THAT CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY WHILE KIBAKI!!yes yes Kbaki ushered the new Constitution forced on him by Kenya citizens and that is why he tried to appoint lame ducks to the judiciary against the spirit and terms of the NEW CONSTITUTION... ;D ;D Kibaki can hide with SHAME behind his foot solders Uhuru and Ruto! but for how long? tic toc!! HAGUE'S DOORS are openly waiting to receive them ;D And what has Raila done as the Prime Minister Of Kenya ?
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 16:46:32 GMT 3
Submitted by little1920 Posted April 05, 2011 04:37 PM
LOL. These numbers are cooked. Where are the presidnetial Polls lately? Is it because Raila is at an all time low and no one would buy him leading at 46% is that why there are no Polls... when will Kenyans see the light that these Polls are biased.
Submitted by billmzalendo Posted April 05, 2011 04:33 PM
I am yet to see a Poll that goes against Raila's wishes... just saying. My gut feel is that these Numbers are cooked, when I do the "regional" math, the numbers on this poll just dont add up unless they are just sampling Nairobi residents or working for RAO.
Submitted by sistermpole Posted April 05, 2011 04:23 PM
If Kenya wants to thrive in peace, Kenyans must reject the 'poll syndrome' in view of it's damaging aftermath. The 2007 elections and PEV should remind us how polls build a candidate on sea sand and made people believe there was just that one option. We must avoid the same mistake and deny polls CSOs licence to operate 1 year before elections.
Submitted by Tabuga Posted April 05, 2011 03:50 PM
Cooked figures by synovate! A referendum is the best way to know without a shadow of doubt!
Submitted by taifa_001 Posted April 05, 2011 03:49 PM
Mabibi na mabwana..mimi sina mengi ya kusema..but to a politician (especially those reportedly whose new job description is escorting) these figures are as clear as mud!
Submitted by liberty911 Posted April 05, 2011 03:40 PM
i dont trust Synovate when do they do there survey.i have never heard anybody,who has been surveyed by them .are they cooking figures or what.
Submitted by 2001nisha Posted April 05, 2011 03:18 PM
i wish they conduct a survey at Central Province and Rift valley. I will like to know the outcome.
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 16:35:40 GMT 3
Job - It is well know in the public which party(ODM-Raila) has bought some people in the media even going to a low of buying cartoonist . What is well known (by public) is that Kenyatta family has bought quite a number of mainstream media outlets - the People and K24 TV - on top of the vernacular radio station Kameme. Scribe hirelings like Jeff Koinange are deeply in his pockets - attempting unsuccessfully to rewrite PEV history (to put Mungiki and Uhuru in favourable terms - as the super heros who stopped the terrible Kalenjin militia). Most don't buy that crap! Uhuru has tried using his recently acquired radio, TV and newspaper to drum anti-ICC propaganda in an attempt to also change the PEV narrative - from empathy for ACTUAL victims, to sympathy with perpetrators. This may be gaining traction amongst his Agikuyu subjects (like you), but as national polls show today, majority Kenyans still view him as an ICC suspect who needs to go face trial at the Hague. In addition, majority Kenyans want him to be relieved of his public duties.These are the WELL KNOWN FACTS you can't refute. Kwahivyo toa those myths you claim are well known? Well known in whose quarters? Puliiiiz! Simple! Media not kow-towing to muthamaki Muigai was Kenyatta's propaganda make him angry. On top, Uhuru is scathing-angery at leaders not kow-towing to his attempt to put his cousin and lawyer as Kenya's AG....... He is angry at leaders resisting his spirited attempt to have ICC case deferred for one year,...... he is angry at fellow Gikuyu leaders (Karua, Kenneth, Muite etc) not bowing down to the self-imposed muthamaki,...... he is angry at media able to report whispers about his liquor-over-imbibing and pot-smoking tendencies....he is angry at media portraying him as a perpetrator of PEV....angry at media highlighting his latter day table-banging, epithet-spewing habits....he's angry at amigo Ocampo tightening the Judicial noose around his neck.....angry at UN Security Council for ignoring muthamaki's request.....and of course, this fella is angry at pundits (at JUKWAA and elsewhere) who call him for what he is - a bloody callous murderer of innocent civilians! That surely makes him angry, but who cares? Let him face Justice!? You single handedly debunk the myth/propaganda you were trying to portray . Which is which Mr Job ? This [/quote]Media, led by the Nation Group, Citizen TV and Uhuru Kenyatta's The People and K24 TV, are deliberately distorting the PEV narrative in an attempt to rewrite history. They have given ICC suspects Uhuru and Ruto, free forum to spread their gospel of lies and hatred, while poorly concealing an open 2012 campaign.[/quote][/b] Or This [/quote]he is angry at media able to report whispers about his liquor-over-imbibing and pot-smoking tendencies....he is angry at media portraying him as a perpetrator of PEV....angry at media highlighting his latter day table-banging, epithet-spewing habits....he's angry at amigo Ocampo tightening the Judicial noose around his neck.....angry at UN Security Council for ignoring muthamaki's request.....and of course, this fella is angry at pundits (at JUKWAA and elsewhere)[/quote] [/b]
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