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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 24, 2013 3:16:06 GMT 3
Are Kyuks whole heartedly ready to die for Uhuruto ticket knowing very well that should Kenya have any trade restrictions, they are the one to suffer most?
I really doubt these numbers. In as much as people would like to group central as solid Jubilee block.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 12, 2013 9:14:05 GMT 3
Omwenga,
Its not an excitement especially on my side, its the reality. I know CORD has its people punching their numbers. The implication is; For an average GEMA voter, the message Ngunyi is putting across is that the election is theirs to lose. And to CORD; you gotta work hard!
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 12, 2013 7:06:13 GMT 3
Guys, In as much as it looks mythical, CORD should be worried. It may as well be a wake-up call for the Raila group to pull up their socks.
On the other hand, Mutahi maybe reminding the EM communities within the GEMA umbrella that, Uhuru is counting on them.
Better still, he maybe telling UHURUTO clans that this election is theres to lose if they do not go out and vote.
Its also clear that Ngunyi does not Like Raila at all? why would he give him 0 from western and take away 20% or the Kamba from him too?
Why would he count Kisiis out of the CORD team for example?
All in all, If I were in CORD's group, I will be concerned.
CORD is also not really taking advantage of the western state's statements concerning a UHURUTO win. According to them, business may not be as usual if the duo wins. It means, there maybe sanctions, even trade embargoes. CORD should remind the UHURUTO clansmen that they will lose the most if we have such embargoes
Kyuks : tea, coffee and Horticulture exports
MERU and Embus, will have no market for their Coffee, tea and Miraa
Kalenjins have the largest investments in Tea.
The other communities however are not so dependent on exports.
If I were Raila, I will be singing this everyday in Jubilee's backyards
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 12, 2013 6:41:15 GMT 3
Omwenga,
I do understand your point here. Uhuru may not be fit to be president and many Kenyans can attest to that, but without being biased, I think CORD in particular should take into account, Ngunyi's analyses. In as much as we want to sweep that under the carpet, the numbers are worrying. I do not support Uhuru but, we may find ourselves having to be his subjects next month if we do not carefully digest Mutahi's words.
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Post by subsaharanite on Jan 9, 2013 15:56:41 GMT 3
Cord is slowly building a formidable team in western. The mere presence of Jirongo will Keep Bonny's head pre-occupied with jitters of possible beatdown. Jirongo is a strong bull fighter too.
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Post by subsaharanite on Jan 9, 2013 15:31:00 GMT 3
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Post by subsaharanite on Dec 25, 2012 1:35:07 GMT 3
Omwenga,
The point of argument is not whether MM will bring any value to whichever side of the political divide he decides to support, its the fact that he is more likely to go back to UHURUTO's faction rather than stick on own or join CORD.
As you can see, he is already started a legal process against UHURUTO group, an indication that he still considers himself its member. I guess he is preparing us for his unceremonious return.
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Post by subsaharanite on Dec 24, 2012 0:31:08 GMT 3
Don't write him off still. Rumor has is that MM will troupe back to Jubilee alliance on the eve of the elections in order to checkmate CORD.
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Post by subsaharanite on May 21, 2012 22:48:34 GMT 3
Ruto has run out of issues to talk on.
Raila, you are at liberty to nominate anybody you so wish. After all these are political appointments. You should appoint people who only articulate your agenda no matter how mundane it is. Apparently, Ruto and his clique do not fall in this category.
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Post by subsaharanite on Apr 20, 2012 0:20:28 GMT 3
In 2002, MM, lost his parliamentary seat as the wave of reforms hit the nation. He blamed fellow luyha legislatures within the then Kanu government for working against him. He was offered a consolation nomination seat, which he refused, as a sign of protest to the KANU government. He his best remembered from this incident, which many praised him for being a man of his own word.
Upon joining ODM, for a long time, he has resisted pressure to turn against Raila but it seems he has finally buckled.
Perhaps, he acted or talked too soon without reasoning. He now finds himself in a bad state. He seems headed to a world he does not know with canibalistic politicians whose main agenda was not to promote him to presidency but rather, use him to deny Raila the post.
It would be useless for him therefore to join another party that will not nominate him as a presidential candidate. That is where he is headed to. Not, Uhuru, Nor Ruto, Nor Kalonzo, not Ngilu, want play number two to anyone. In other words, Nobody wants to make MM the president.
MM has to fight on his own, not even his fellow Luhya's will push him through.
With Rao, there were was a strong indication that at one point, MM would have been the PORK.
I now see him as another misguided politician who had a brighter future within ODM but left it for a quest he does not understand, set by political nemeses who are not interested in helping him.
Nevertheless, he still has time to head back.
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 26, 2012 20:23:03 GMT 3
Destiny,
Balala bit the hand that used to feed him out in the public.
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 26, 2012 18:22:46 GMT 3
Mwalimu MKuu,
Politics is about Yapping. If you dont yap, you dont get your point accross. Your friends UHURUTO and co have been tiptoing accross their territories yapping about Raila's mightier than God hand in ICC, in the name of prayer meeting. The GEMA communities seeing their term to eat coming to an end are on a panic mode. Since they control the media, the literary bombard us with railaphobic tunes. They also happen to control the judiciary.
Raila I support you. Go yap further son of the lake!
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 26, 2012 18:04:49 GMT 3
Be assured,
Good news! Obama will be coming soon if he is still the president! Kogallo must be preped!
Bad news! Olil revenue, such a curse! already it has separated the two Sudans. Last year when Turkanas were languishing in hunger, they would call reporters 'nyinyi watu wa Kenya', meaning, they are on their own state. I wonder what we will have to do to make them believe that we belong together.
More bad news! Fighiting over who gets what has just started!
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 22, 2012 23:41:55 GMT 3
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 22, 2012 0:34:42 GMT 3
This man Wetangula is always finding himself in crossfires. I suppose he has the most dangerous cabinet position. Few months ago, he cheated death in Somalia when a bomb probably targeting him amongst others exploded in a road that he was meant to travel on. A few days ago, a similar incident occurred in Somalia, once more he came out lucky. Right now I hear he is holed up in a hotel in Bamako, not knowing what would happen in the next few hours. In my community, wazees would advice someone who death seems to be up his heels to take it easy. Perhaps he will need to 'kill some goat or chicken' to appease the ancestors. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/wetangula-stranded-in-malian-mutiny/
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 15, 2012 17:37:33 GMT 3
From BBC.
These Tanzanians! Now they make HIV- positive children wear a red ribbon in schools! Someone label all Tanzanians in Kenya.
Tanzania anger over red ribbon labels for HIV pupils A pupil wearing a red ribbon on the pocket of his uniform Pupils wearing ribbons are excused from chores like fetching water Continue reading the main story Related Stories
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Campaigners in Tanzania have criticised some schools for making HIV-positive pupils wear a red ribbon on their uniforms.
The headmaster of one school told the BBC it was done at the parents' request to ensure that all sickly pupils do not do tasks that may affect their health.
But such stigmatisation was against the law, punishable by up to three years in jail, a campaign group warned.
The health minister has said he cannot comment until it is investigated.
According to UNAids, about 5% of the population - 1.4m people - in the East African nation are living with HIV. 'Confidential'
The BBC's Aboubakar Famau in the main city of Dar es Salaam says activists have reacted with horror to the labelling of pupils in the Kibaha district.
They believe at least seven schools in the area, about 40km (25 miles) north-west of Dar es Salaam, are using the ribbon system.
"They are only doing that because they want to identify those who are HIV-positive," said Jane Tibihita, a co-ordinator of Upendo Partnership, a local campaign group. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote
In our school we put a red label on the pupils' collars to identify them”
Mohammed Lukema Head of Kibaha Primary School
Rebecca Mshumbusi, chairperson of the Kibaha Association of People Living with HIV/Aids, said it was unethical to reveal a person's health status in public.
"The information of one's sickness is confidential unless if one decides to share it with others. There are laws that can punish those revealing other's health status," she told the BBC.
But Mohammed Lukema, the headmaster of Kibaha Primary School, said he is only carrying out parents' wishes and pupils wearing a red ribbon were excused from any rigorous school duties, such as sweeping the compound and fetching water.
"Our school has pupils who are suffering from various diseases. The school and the society at large have decided to label pupils' uniforms," he said.
"In our school we put a red label on the pupils' collars to identify them."
The root of the problem is that there have been few initiatives to educate people about stigmatising those with HIV, Ms Tibihita said.
"They are only dealing with infection and prevention of the disease," she said.
"Now, the HIV and Aids Prevention and Control Act allows one with concrete evidence to be taken to court on the grounds of stigmatization and one can be sentenced for up to three years
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 6, 2012 22:22:28 GMT 3
The opening statement of my thread preemptively predicted the outcome that Railamaniacs will shoot me down. They just did!
If Indeed use of the word 'Kyuk' is Pejorative, then it should added to the long list of explicit terms that normally get purged automatically.
This thread and title were not meant to stir any wars between Luos and Kikuyu. If it did, I need to be sent to the ICC. Someone call the prosecutor.
But the following still remains;
Fact! One spirit blender of a well known company stated that his raw material is from Spectre in the video that I posted. The Odingas are known to be major shareholders in that facility. Besides, many of them are public servants hence, their scrutiny or criticism is fair game.
Fact! Spectre is the De-facto distiller and producer of both ethanol and methanol of which the latter is somehow found mixed with the former in the spirits sold in some parts of Kenya.
Fact! Traditionally brewed and distilled spirits have never caused death associated with methanol poisoning. If that was the case, people in Nyanza and western who produce their own ethanol would have been dying in record numbers or gone blind long time ago.
However, they may have caused casualties due to ethanol poisoning (excessive consumption).
When I see APs running after old women and destroying small scale distilleries that produce top notch ethanol for local consumption right after methanol poisoning as occured, I see a coverup operation, meant to confuse the populace while the real dealers stand strong. I have not seen any AP busting a methanol dealer. These are the real killers!
Fact! This thread did not stir any controversy as one double O tries to imply. Its a pity that he did not warn me right after the initial posting. He had to wait for a whole week to make that decision, I bet he decided to do it after I posted a much stronger argument on my statement.
Even after that week, we still did not see any Luos fighting against any Kikuyu. Here in Jukwaa, all was calm, I suppose Kenya was too. So using my opening post to castigate me reminds me of what happened to the standard group a few years ago. I wonder if I rattled some Jukwaa snakes.
Its OK if If my account gets suspended or deleted all together. Jukwaa is a forum that I check out from time to time. I understand ina wenyewe. So I cannot claim partial ownership or cry if I get suspended. My views however still remain.
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 1, 2012 16:15:38 GMT 3
Thats what we are talking about & you aint seen nothing yet! Jaber & Family Nairobi city LOl!
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Post by subsaharanite on Mar 1, 2012 16:10:52 GMT 3
Okolowaka(moto), (rogue)Reporter911.
To the former,
I'm a chemist, I know all about ethanol and alcohol production. Save your copy pasted literature for Wikipedia or high school audience.
You cleverly do not mention that the fermentation process produces a wide range of alcohols amongst other side products depending on the process conditions.
You cleverly do not mention how methanol is produced, but you mention what grades of methanol Spectre sells. How ironic! Do they collect it out of their rainwater tanks after rain spells?
You also herald different grades of ethanol in which you and me know that only the water content is the major variable.
You fail to acknowledge that no fermentation process no matter how controlled it is will only yield one of product. As such, even the well controlled and monitored process that Spectre is said to utilize produces mixed products.
Some of the major contaminants that are usually ignored are Ketones and Aldehydes that cause the so called hangovers. At no time did I take any spirit in Kenya and with no hangover. Meaning, even Spectre for example does not scrub them off.
So throw your standards. The so called Kenya bureau of standards (KEBS) used ancient trace analysis methodologies. Some of them cannot detect all contaminants within the samples. Believe me, I have been to KEBS and I have most of their standards- They are mediocre. For example, they use 1970's British and Indian titrimetric standards-ancient protocols that high school kids learn in form one.
Next time you visit either KEBS or Spectre ask them to invest in mass spectrometers and nuclear magnetic resonance spectrometers and trace analyzers. Tell them to throw away their burettes and pipettes, ancient gas chromatographers as well colorimeters. Then you can flaunt your so called 'standards' here.
I have lived in the west and no matter how much spirits I drank, I never had hangovers.
If you really wanna know how mediocre KEBs is, ask yourself why a few years ago, the EU barred the importation of fish from Lake Victoria over trace contaminants although KEBs gave the fish a clean bill of health. Between the EU and KEBs instruments, which ones were telling the truth?
Okolowaka(moto), can you acknowledge first that Fermentation produces both methanol and ethanol?
If yes, can you also acknowledge that a poorly designed and uncontrolled distillation process may not effectively separate the two?
Now for you (rogue) reporter,
I'm not from central and never will. People all over Kenya take alcohol. Nyanza for example consumes much more ethanol than central. Its just that over there, they hardly use industrially processed ethanol. Most of it is produced by small scale brewers who who know their art well. Believe me, I have seen scientific studies published in Kenya that found at that the so called Chang'aa produced by small scale brewers in Nyanza and western is of higher standards than cheap concoctions like Kenya and simba cane.
So your inept suggestion that people in Central are stupid to engage in drinking sprees does not hold. The fact is, they unknowingly consume adulterated ethanol and if Odinga's Spectre is the supplier of the raw materials, then indirectly, Odinga is silently killing Kyuks. Find something else to argue on and not your narrow nonsense. Besides, read the irony!
Now rogue(reporter) if you watched the video clip that I attached the bottler stated that he gets his raw material from Spectre. This guy does not have any means of independently certifying his raw material other than believing in whatever paperwork accompanies the raw materials and Spectre knows this. Henceforth, Spectre selling something else other than what they purport is not all that remote. It is a possibility.
Instead of politicking this issue, lets be sober and stop cajoling each other.
Methanol as killed many people and do not just brush it off. We should know how and who Spectre sells all the ethanol and methanol products it sells to and trace the real criminals. Someone needs to take blame.
In the video, the dealer stated that his supplier is Spectre. Spectre should publicly respond to his allegation.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 29, 2012 22:28:53 GMT 3
Guys
This is a serious matter. In spite of the sarcasm involved, this is about the standard of ethanol being sold by Spectre.
Those of you with alcohol processing know that during fermentation of sugar, both methanol and ethanol are formed depending on the conditions. In the Kenyan market, ethanol has a ready market while methanol is kind of a nuisance.
If for example a the brewer makes a mistake in their fermentation process and the end product contains more methanol, then the subsequent distillation process has to be modified so that he can effectively separate the two.
I tend to think Spectre knows the difference between methanol and ethanol although they have similar characteristics. So if Spectre indeed does not test their products before selling them, then it is possible that the guys packing Gin and brandy in central wont know either. They will probably sell it off not knowing its true content.
On the other hand, The Mwangis of central maybe trying to cut costs. So instead of buying Spectre's expensive alcohol, they buy cheaper and adulterated products from fellow 'Kamaus' from central who have labeled it as Spectre's product.
Mwangi has not invested in appropriate instruments to determine the quality standards of what he receives.
I am pretty sure, Mwangi will not willingly sell his fellow Mwangi's methanol laced alcohol.
I therefore think that this should be taken seriously.
On another issue, I would like to comment that hardly do you hear of deaths in Nyanza ans western caused by alcohol poisoning because these guys brew and distill their own gin. They know the process well. So they basically know how to separate Methanol from Ethanol or suppress the production of the latter during fermentation.
Lets get to the bottom of this.
Thus, I ask again, Is Odinga silently Killing central votes? Don't shoot me yet...
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 28, 2012 1:16:23 GMT 3
Don't shoot me yet Railamaniacs.
But I understand the spirit used to prepare some of these deadly drinks circulating in central is bought from Odinga's spectre international.
I understand some of these dealers cannot differentiate the differences between methanol and ethanol.
So If Odinga sells them methanol in the pretext of it being ethanol, they will bottle it and sell it to their customers.
Ofcourse some of you are going to argue that the brew is laced with methanol by the dealer. It may well be. What kind of assurance does Spectre has to the dealer that what they buy is true ethanol? The question is, is Raila knowingly reducing the central votes?
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 22, 2012 0:24:19 GMT 3
Back in the days, I heard some village guys saying that if you love your wife, then you should beat her as a sign of love. Some of the men I heard listening were known wife beaters. Im wondering if on the other side of the gender divide, women do tell their colleagues to do the same as a sign of love to their loved ones.
I bet now these women took the advice and are trying to show some love.
I pity my brothers from central. I used to think that Wangu wa Makeri was a mere myth, now I think it actually was real.
On the lighter side, lets make love to them, make them pregnant and regain our status.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 22, 2012 0:15:31 GMT 3
He is dead
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 21, 2012 23:56:27 GMT 3
At this stage, Mama Ngilu seems to be taking a katikati position in that she has neither confirming nor denying joining the Uhuruto Camp even though she insists she is still in narc.
Also, notice Mama Ngilu is bitter with Kalonzo and not Uhuruto as her statement only describes the former.
Remember the other day, when she was asked what she thinks of ICC, she commented that she was not happy with what was happening with her brothers, meaning, she indirectly supports them.
I will not be surprised if I see her headed to the Uhuruto camp in the hope of regaining her Ukambani queen-ship.
If she does, she shall have proved to many that indeed a community called Kamba is indeed a miracle and katikati or watermelon group.
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Post by subsaharanite on Feb 20, 2012 23:00:23 GMT 3
Omwenga,Thanks for bringing all these HATE SPEECHEs by RUTO and UHURU gang to jukwaa. The truth is the jukwaa is the NUMBER ONE social network site in Kenya and every other ICC lawyer, dealing with the kenyan situation, hooks himself/herself to it from time to time. Your very accurate report of the first rally must have now reached Ocampos desk, heading for judge Trendy´s. The ICC will not warn these idiots again about hate speech. It will just pounce the next time they appear at The Hague. Meanwhile our newspapers are busy with Mudavadi/Raila saga. Which in my opinion is a none issue anyway. The media just want to blow everything up and we ODMers know that. So let keep up the reports here in jukwaa. Its all good. Come on men, these euphoric mass meetings have been not been peace rallies. They have been pieces rallies. Now the famous G-3 is G-2. It can no-longer shoot effectively. Lets see how they will fair if they perhaps take their pieces rallies to Kisumu or even mandera. Apart from the coast where they bribed patrons to attend their rallies, these pieces rallies have been concentrated between the KK-K regions. I go with Omwenga on this one.
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